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Posted by The Daddy on Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:51 am
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I don't see anyway to get into SL and make an impact in the current ground it's small and in the middle of nowhere.
The new Wimbledon ground is a bit more central with good transport links.abs AFC Wimbledon are a club on the way up. The capacity starts off at 11,000 and will be extended to 20,000.
The most important thing is that it needs to be a long term decision.
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Posted by wire-quin on Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:08 am
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I think in its current guise DH is running the club down. Until we get significant investment I doubt there will be any radical change.
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Posted by Bostwick on Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:51 am
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I think it could be a good thing, both for Rugby League in London and for AFC Wimbledon.
However it needs vision and long term commitment. There does not seem to be much of that around at the club at the moment.
Posted by Call Me God on Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:49 pm
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The Daddy wrote:
I don't see anyway to get into SL and make an impact in the current ground it's small and in the middle of nowhere.
The new Wimbledon ground is a bit more central with good transport links.abs AFC Wimbledon are a club on the way up. The capacity starts off at 11,000 and will be extended to 20,000.
The most important thing is that it needs to be a long term decision.

It's 2017.....not 2007. A decade ago maybe but as it stands, AFC Wimbledon would be better starting their own club up......what would bring to the party other than 500 (at best) fans?
JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Wakefield is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:
Posted by northernbloke on Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:31 pm
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Why do you say that?
Posted by northernbloke on Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:32 pm
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The 3 professional rugby league clubs in london are not making the best of it, why would starting another be sensible.
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Why do you say that?

Because all we'd bring is 500 fans......that's why.

The London Broncos brand is tarnished with 2 decades of mistakes and mismanagement...better to restart anew with someone like Perez on board rather than an investor who wants total control over all aspects even though by their own admission they know nothing about running a club (read a pastel revolution)....
JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Wakefield is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:
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Couple of things, if another club were to start up in south london where would there fans come from?
And can't agree that the broncos brand is tarnished! Remember changing the name and re branding to the Quins? In a lot of people's eyes they were still the broncos
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Couple of things, if another club were to start up in south london where would there fans come from?

South London I'd hope......where did Perez find his 7k Toronto fans? Oh that's right......HE MARKETED THE CLUB UNTIL HE COULDN'T STAND......
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And can't agree that the broncos brand is tarnished!
How is it not? Handed a place at the top table the club did nothing and I mean between 1996-2014.....absolutely nothing to promote themselves to a wider audience or build a business model that was ever going to be sustainable. Not just Hughes, but all the other owners including Branson who for all his billions proved to be a clueless idiot who thought (like many other RL club owners) that sticking posts in the ground and announcing KO times was enough. Gridiron is a game as alien to your average Londoner as League is.......yet how come the NFL can fill stadiums in London with 2 teams full of American players that most English people have never heard of? Tennis is hardly on everyone's weekend things to do yet Wimbledon sees a scramble for tickets......The Boat Race sees people who couldn't find either Oxford or Cambridge on a map flock to the banks of the Thames each year, horse racing isn't eve a sport....it's just a reason to employ short people but the Grand National sees grannies buying the racing post...this weekend just gone will have seen close to 250,000 fans attend 4 Union friendlies across the British Isles generating tens of Millions in income.......it's not about the sport, IT'S HOW YOU SELL IT! The Broncos is a Brand that has nothing going for it...the chances are that if you asked 20 people on a London street what sport we played you'd get a majority say Gridiron...it's worse than tarnished, it's unknown!


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Remember changing the name and re branding to the Quins? In a lot of people's eyes they were still the broncos

This has been done to death...... We've LOST 4,000 regular fans in a dozen years and maybe 20 or 25 of those left because of Quins RL......if you think otherwise then there's little hope for you.
We've moved countless times, changed and reverted back to our name, moved some more and achieved little other than a fluke Cup appearance and LMS and Tony Clubb have gone north and are doing well......from 1996 to 2017 that is all we have to show for probably 100,000,000 quid in income and a bucketload of wasted opportunities and terrible appointments.
JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Wakefield is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:
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You are dreaming dog! You are not going to get the residents of Wimbledon or st reatham or Brixton to come flocking to watch the flat capers game.
How did Toronto do it? It's new! It's summat different! Those fictional 7000 (more like 4 or 5) are watching something new, it's an unknown over there it isn't here.
You mention gridiron being alien to south Londoners as much as league, utter tosh, it's because it's American and for some odd reason over here we think everything American we have to do.
What's the difference with rugby league generally and your other events? RU yawnion internationals terrestrial tv and how many pages dedicated to it in the papers? The grand national! Terrestrial tv and one off annual event, Wimbledon terrestrial tv newspaper coverage the boat race newspaper coverage, terrestrial tv, women's cricket, men's cricket see where am going with this
International rugby league yep terrestrial to but nothing elsewhere.
Club rugby! Nothing. So is it london broncos or the sport itself?
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