Re: Thoughts from tonight..LEEDS : Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:40 am  

jools wrote:

There's a large part of our salary cap in clough and Wakeman doing less than absolutely nothing! Clough and Gaskell were offered silly money for championship players. Gaskell looked bright last night- I can see what he brings. (But those handling errors were awful). Clough is no better than josh Johnson and we would have a local lad playing for us and could have saved a chunk!

Agreed Jools. We have to give Wakeman tad bit more time though as he had no pre season but definitely showing no signs of been a SL prop, wouldn't stand out in the championship at present. As for Clough is he a mate of Andersons? weve been well and truly done with his signature - what a waste of CAP space when we could be playing Tyler Dickinson, at least hes home grown and young. But no doubt he will carry on getting picked due to "experience".

Ferguson signing is a joke as well - should have let him go to Wakey when we had the chance.

Do we have room for a mid season signing? No decent English players are likely to come available are they? Tom Burgess is not getting a game for Souths atm - we desperately need another good prop, could we get a loan deal????

Re: Thoughts from tonight..LEEDS : Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:47 am  

GiantJake1988 wrote:

Agreed Jools. We have to give Wakeman tad bit more time though as he had no pre season but definitely showing no signs of been a SL prop, wouldn't stand out in the championship at present. As for Clough is he a mate of Andersons? weve been well and truly done with his signature - what a waste of CAP space when we could be playing Tyler Dickinson, at least hes home grown and young. But no doubt he will carry on getting picked due to "experience".

Ferguson signing is a joke as well - should have let him go to Wakey when we had the chance.

Do we have room for a mid season signing? No decent English players are likely to come available are they? Tom Burgess is not getting a game for Souths atm - we desperately need another good prop, could we get a loan deal????

Well the stats from last night suggest Clough was probably our best forward last night. Solid in attack and defence no errors and no penalties.

Re: Thoughts from tonight..LEEDS : Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:53 am  

the stella kid wrote:

Well the stats from last night suggest Clough was probably our best forward last night. Solid in attack and defence no errors and no penalties.

In a game as bad as last night "solid player" as many put it who just runs the ball in and doesnt knock on will probably come out with the best stats. Hes still a very poor signing in my opinion and I think most stats are pile of crap anyway.

Re: Thoughts from tonight..LEEDS : Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:15 am  

One thing i noticed and commented on was the lack of any dummy runners or lines been run 20 metres out , years ago you would see players all over the place and sometimes we had too many options and took the wrong one, nowadays it does seem as if we are just looking for a hole to run through rather than trying to create one.

Thing is Leeds were awful and we made them look comfortable and that's a worry, in victories gone by against them we've gone at the from the 1st minute, it was the one thing that gave us the edge over them - the aggression, the will to win, the determination to knock them down, run through them etc - last night we were simply strolling up to them in attack and defence.

Thought Gaskell looked good again and Ukuma was the pick of the forwards for me, thought Raps had his best game too and is getting some form back, Kruise was busy but had little help at times and was just left to run on his own.

Darnell made a few errors but that's all part and parcel of learning the game, anyone bagging him already needs to give their head a shake imo.

Don't think we played that badly really it was just bad execution and game management and trying to score off every set once we go behind, we have no patience on or off the field !!

Re: Thoughts from tonight..LEEDS : Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:25 am  

GIANT DAZ wrote:

One thing i noticed and commented on was the lack of any dummy runners or lines been run 20 metres out , years ago you would see players all over the place and sometimes we had too many options and took the wrong one, nowadays it does seem as if we are just looking for a hole to run through rather than trying to create one.

Thing is Leeds were awful and we made them look comfortable and that's a worry, in victories gone by against them we've gone at the from the 1st minute, it was the one thing that gave us the edge over them - the aggression, the will to win, the determination to knock them down, run through them etc - last night we were simply strolling up to them in attack and defence.

Thought Gaskell looked good again and Ukuma was the pick of the forwards for me, thought Raps had his best game too and is getting some form back, Kruise was busy but had little help at times and was just left to run on his own.

Darnell made a few errors but that's all part and parcel of learning the game, anyone bagging him already needs to give their head a shake imo.

Don't think we played that badly really it was just bad execution and game management and trying to score off every set once we go behind, we have no patience on or off the field !!

Darnell should keep his place next week I agree, no matter what team we field we will lose the game im 99.9% confident of that and we may as well get him the experience for future.

ATM my visions of the MPG consist of either Us V Widnes, Us v HKR or HKR v Widnes

Re: Thoughts from tonight..LEEDS : Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:02 pm  

have to go back to john kear team to find one as bad as this defensively shocking no line speed normal 2 steps and stop .attack very very poor time for stone to go along with thorman and thewlis what a waste of a Friday night. Leeds look poor coudnt beet wigen 2nd team down to 2 subs after 10 minutes are only saving grace is its a very poor super league this year

Re: Thoughts from tonight..LEEDS : Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:22 pm  

GiantJake1988 wrote:

Darnell should keep his place next week I agree, no matter what team we field we will lose the game im 99.9% confident of that and we may as well get him the experience for future.

ATM my visions of the MPG consist of either Us V Widnes, Us v HKR or HKR v Widnes

Sure you said something similar before Wigan !!!!

i'm 99.9% confident of winning every game - doesn't always last long when the game kicks off though.

Re: Thoughts from tonight..LEEDS : Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:26 pm  

anyone else notice how leeds tackled out players then we got dragged back another 5-10 yards everytime

are we going into the tackle wrong?! are others not helping out pushing them forward when being pushed back

seems only one player is allowed to offload , ikahihifo, even then we arent on the same page

watching the giants attack is depressing

Re: Thoughts from tonight..LEEDS : Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:36 pm  

GIANT DAZ wrote:

Sure you said something similar before Wigan !!!!

i'm 99.9% confident of winning every game - doesn't always last long when the game kicks off though.

I thought we would get beat against Wigan (who had 12 players injured) I recall many on here saying they dont buy into the fact they had so many missing as a reason for our point but many keep mentioning Symonds and Bruno as an excuse for our defence?

We have 3 players who would get in our starting 17 out at the moment in Bruno, Mamo and Symonds as I genuinely dont think Mason and O Brien would be in Stones starting 17 (They would be in mine).

Other teams have alot more injuries than us. Wigan are having it bad and still manage, Catalans have loads and still play reasonably well, Saints, Wakefield, Leigh all have injuries and manage.

Why does it affect us more than other teams? We cant have our starting 17 on the field every game in fact teams very rarely do these days.

Because we are THAT bad but I didn't get excited by the fact we got a point like many did and last night is the reason why. we have become just a general poor team. The type of rugby we play is boring and we generally have made no improvements over last season we have replaced average players with more average players or players who will miss half a season.

Re: Thoughts from tonight..LEEDS : Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:47 pm  

brearley84 wrote:

anyone else notice how leeds tackled out players then we got dragged back another 5-10 yards everytime

are we going into the tackle wrong?! are others not helping out pushing them forward when being pushed back

seems only one player is allowed to offload , ikahihifo, even then we arent on the same page

watching the giants attack is depressing

Very depressing. I get excited and up for every game before hand but you can generally tell with the Giants after 10 minutes what sort of game its going to be. The 2 easy tries and I knew we would lose the game as we are chasing the game instantly. Granted we came straight back and got in front but then the usual errors and bad management kicks in and all goes to plot.

Ive noticed a pattern over last season and this season. If we concede first we generally lose those games. (Salford, Leigh, Leeds & Hull)

WIDNES is an exception in the first game this season as we came back to win against the worst team in the comp.

Games we scored first Wakefield, Wigan we got something from the game.

We rarely rarely get our noses in front and we seem to always be slow out of the blocks and chasing to get back in the game.