Re: Huby gone - Thewlis Shocked : Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:44 pm  

Code13 wrote:

Spot on Jo

I'm confident we'll make the 8 with what we have, the signings expected will just improve the likelihood

Then as you say we can get the players signed in good time to push on again

That bits ridiculously optimistic - the second bit makes more sense.

Re: Huby gone - Thewlis Shocked : Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:08 pm  

Why is it ridiculously optimistic Vastman?

Look at the actual results last season, the Giants were a handful of minutes off top 6 and lost due to awful conditioning and coaching


And as I said elsewhere- we win our 2 games v Wakey and we finish 8th, when was the last time we didn't take points off Wakey in a season - that's how bad it was

Re: Huby gone - Thewlis Shocked : Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:33 pm  

Jo Jumbuck wrote:

in fact can you name me a player that went forwards in the last 3/4 years, Maybe Gerry.

Roberts and Mason.

Re: Huby gone - Thewlis Shocked : Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:36 pm  

Code13 wrote:

Why is it ridiculously optimistic Vastman?

Look at the actual results last season, the Giants were a handful of minutes off top 6 and lost due to awful conditioning and coaching


And as I said elsewhere- we win our 2 games v Wakey and we finish 8th, when was the last time we didn't take points off Wakey in a season - that's how bad it was

Wakefield looked better than us last season so probably a little harsh you picked out our fixtures against them. Could argue we got some rare points back against Warrington.

With their recruitment and squad depth I wouldn't be surprised if they beat us twice next season too.

From last season the players need to improve their attitude aswell. Conditioning and coaching was far from the only thing wrong with us.

New season will be here fast. Fresh start and no excuses. Fingers crossed we do better and beat our goals.

Re: Huby gone - Thewlis Shocked : Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:49 pm  

Code13 wrote:

Why is it ridiculously optimistic Vastman?

Look at the actual results last season, the Giants were a handful of minutes off top 6 and lost due to awful conditioning and coaching

You could argue we lost quite a few games because we just switched off at crucial times towards the end. How many games did we lose by a converted score? 8 in the normal season in fact. I didn't see a great deal to the fitness issue many have mentioned. The guy that was scapegoated early on is still at the club so can't have been that bad, I appreciate another guy has come in with some great experience in rugby but we weren't getting hammered every game were we. The awful conditioning tag I just don't buy, wheres the evidence?

Re: Huby gone - Thewlis Shocked : Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:00 pm  

We scored more points and conceded fewer than Wakey

The last time we finished lower than them was 2008 which was also the last time we were out of the top 8

Giants haven't missed top 6 since 2012 when we came 7th

Last time Wakey were top 8 was also 2012 when they were 8th

This was also the last time they took points off us



As for the conditioning- you just gave the evidence
Concentration, mistakes, discipline late on
All factors

That and the team looked blown from game one

Re: Huby gone - Thewlis Shocked : Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:03 pm  

Code13 wrote:

We scored more points and conceded fewer than Wakey

The last time we finished lower than them was 2008 which was also the last time we were out of the top 8

Giants haven't missed top 6 since 2012 when we came 7th

Last time Wakey were top 8 was also 2012 when they were 8th

This was also the last time they took points off us



As for the conditioning- you just gave the evidence
Concentration, mistakes, discipline late on
All factors

That and the team looked blown from game one

Had Wakefield scored fewer and conceded more at the time of the split????

Re: Huby gone - Thewlis Shocked : Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:12 pm  

Code13 wrote:

We scored more points and conceded fewer than Wakey

The last time we finished lower than them was 2008 which was also the last time we were out of the top 8

Giants haven't missed top 6 since 2012 when we came 7th

Last time Wakey were top 8 was also 2012 when they were 8th

This was also the last time they took points off us



As for the conditioning- you just gave the evidence
Concentration, mistakes, discipline late on
All factors

That and the team looked blown from game one

We scored more points and conceded less but lost more games. 2 points is all that matters.

Great history lesson but means nothing if you're a team looking to the future. We've got to play every game like we're expected to lose and have desire and fire in our attitude and performance.
We had it a few years back but somewhere along the way, we played like we'd already won.

Re: Huby gone - Thewlis Shocked : Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:13 pm  

onlyanorthernsoul wrote:

You could argue we lost quite a few games because we just switched off at crucial times towards the end. How many games did we lose by a converted score? 8 in the normal season in fact. I didn't see a great deal to the fitness issue many have mentioned. The guy that was scapegoated early on is still at the club so can't have been that bad, I appreciate another guy has come in with some great experience in rugby but we weren't getting hammered every game were we. The awful conditioning tag I just don't buy, wheres the evidence?

the previous conditioner has left the club.

Re: Huby gone - Thewlis Shocked : Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:17 pm  

Jo Jumbuck wrote:

Huby never played the same for us as he did for Cas, remember though he was a proven player with a very good offload, Wonder why he went backwards, in fact can you name me a player that went forwards in the last 3/4 years, Maybe Gerry.

Regards this season I don't think anyone is expecting us to do more than survive. For me treat it as a season of building, or at least learning what we have got in terms of the Bulls lads and our own youngsters. Don't be dishing out anymore long contracts, lets be ready for the start of 2018 season with a chance to sign players while they are there, rather than what's left.
We are going to get more players yet, but we are not going to challenge for anything barring a miracle, so don't be paying over the odd's for anyone. We just need to make the 8 this season, If RS does his job and get's them up for it, with the new conditioner we should be capable of that , and lets get our game right and play football that people want to watch ( like we did now and then last season ) If we make the 8 this season, that will do me, anything better will be a bonus.

hubys injuries didnt help with him going backwards!

as for players that have improved the last 3/4 years

mcgillvary
cudjoe
lawrence
leeming
mason
roberts
taai