Re: Super League Giants 2017 : Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:26 pm  

Code13 wrote:

His defensive reads need work, but his ability to get to the ball first v HKR helped win us a spot in Superleague

He only had to beat the crocked Aussie to get to it though.....

Re: Super League Giants 2017 : Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:49 pm  

could ellis be a good hooker?

anycase if brough or brierley got injured then we would need ellis to slot in

then again gaskell can do that too


I suggested that a few times last season but it got slated by people who thought Ellis was our future. I don't know if he would make a good hooker or not but i reckon he would be better than he is at half, Really we need to be setting our sights a bit higher.

As regards building for next year, start with Brough and Breirley and try to build a pack ( or coach a pack ) to give them the oportunity to play. Regards backup we should be training and coaching Brough's replacment now.

Re: Super League Giants 2017 : Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:00 pm  

Could Ormsby be a full back?

Re: Super League Giants 2017 : Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:58 pm  

jumper wrote:

Could Ormsby be a full back?

What would make you say that?? Seems a strange choice.. He has no characteristics in his game to show that he's a fullback.. wing and fullback are two entirely different positions.

In regards to Ellis at Hooker, I think he could be a really good Hooker and would add a different dimension. But he would have to play that position regularly to make him effective. Depends if Rick would be prepared to do that...

Re: Super League Giants 2017 : Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:31 pm  

Why is it a strange choice? Many full backs start in different positions. I think he could be a really good Full Back and would add a different dimension. But he would have to play that position regularly to make him effective. Depends if Rick would be prepared to do that.

Re: Super League Giants 2017 : Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:38 pm  

we dont want to go back to the days when Sharp tried various players at full back without any success , we need to get one in now Grixie has gone , pity they couldnt give Grix another contract but i guess the two years at Wakey swung it for him ,

Re: Super League Giants 2017 : Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:42 pm  

jumper wrote:

Why is it a strange choice? Many full backs start in different positions. I think he could be a really good Full Back and would add a different dimension. But he would have to play that position regularly to make him effective. Depends if Rick would be prepared to do that.

Ellis has the correct traits for a hooker, also has a good kicking game out of dummy half, something hinchcliffe doesn't have. Also, hinchcliffe has played majority of his career as a forward whereas Ellis has played in the halves, a very similar role. The role of a half is actually fairly similar to a full back, which is why Brierley was tested there. The role of a winger is far from the role of a full back. This is why i find it a strange move for Ormsby to play there. I don't see any traits in his game to give any reason whatsoever that he'd be a full back...

Re: Super League Giants 2017 : Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:06 pm  

Ormsby would be my starting 5 next season
Ellis I'd go at 9 to spell with Leeming - actually the other way round

Brough and Brierly have to be our halves

[Durham Giant]

Re: Super League Giants 2017 : Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:11 am  

Obviously none of the above posters want a hooker who can scoot from dummy half then. He does not have that accelaration from Dummyhalf. He is not a tackler in the Houghton mould.
Pick and pass pick and pass that will have SL defences in panic mode.

Well at least we know who everyone wants to set up as scapegoat for next season

Re: Super League Giants 2017 : Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:48 am  

Durham Giant wrote:

Obviously none of the above posters want a hooker who can scoot from dummy half then. He does not have that accelaration from Dummyhalf. He is not a tackler in the Houghton mould.
Pick and pass pick and pass that will have SL defences in panic mode.

Well at least we know who everyone wants to set up as scapegoat for next season

Ellis would never be a 80 min Hooker.. you have Kruise to come on to speed things up. Kyle wood has filled that role in perfectly in the 8's.. if you want a hooker who can do it all, then your options are Josh Hodgson, Cam Smith and probably Danny Houghton... I'm trying to work with what we've got and find a balance. All well and good saying you want this and that. But let's try and keep it realistic...

For e.g. Brad Dwyer is a scooting Hooker, a nice blend would be Ellis and Dwyer... I wasn't saying Ellis would be our only option at Hooker and have to play 80 mins week in week out.