Re: Kyle Wood : Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:23 pm  

bilko1941 wrote:

One thing you are forgetting DG is that the majority of our academy have a quality in abundance, that is confidence.No one will achieve anything in RL without a great belief in oneself.I believe this is the one thing that we as a club fall behind the Wigans,Saints and Leeds,these clubs will play 2,3 or 4 players maybe more if required.To quote Alex Murphy 'If they are good enough they are big enough'.Think back a few years when we played a majority of academy players against a Saints side and almost pulled off an unlikely victory.You ask to name any player in the academy who is good enough I say any one of them.

Big problem regarding playing young players Bilko, We are stuck with old players on contracts so Anderson must play them. How will we find out if they are ever going to be good enough? Sign more overseas players!!!!!!,

Re: Kyle Wood : Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:17 pm  

meast wrote:

welcome to reality and apologies if i'm not stamping my feet and sulking like a good glory hunter that i should be.
i have no problem with anyone criticising the players or the club, i do it myself if i think it needs to said, i don't accept scapegoating players or finding fault with individuals which seems to be the done thing. the club deserve criticism from time to time, it also deserves praise, i have no problem with that.
but to criticise just about everything just because the club have failed to win silverware is pretty crass too.
yes, we have failed to win a trophy again for the 52nd year in a row but the positive is, we have built the club up from virtually nothing to become challengers, we are finally in a position to be challenging, unlike most of the other clubs who just scrap around mid table, despite being wealthier than we are, having bigger crowds than us and being established in the top flight a lot longer than we have.
without the "loyal supporters" there wouldn't be a fan base to build on, there wouldn't be a club for the bandwagoners to join,there is always a place for new fans but you must never forget the loyal fans who have stuck with it.

That is exactly the point thats getting used wrongly in some respects Martin
Many on here have had me down as a moaner for quoting facts for years so one more season will be like water off a ducks back !

Without being disrespectful some of the current regulars are (relative) newcomers so the improvement theyve witnessed is from a "standing start " that even then wasnt the depths " you" and "our kid" witnessed prior to the almost disappearance of the club PRIOR to when Ken rode into the frame. You and many dont want knighthoods for "hanging on in" from way back and that includes Ivor, Cag, et al who I have great respect for . Many including the senior Giants have witnessed a real roller coaster going back as you say to the 50 odd years since we had a trophy. Up at the top competing for the double -down to the depths of more on the field than on the terraces But yeah - thats history / the game has changed / the structure of the game has changed

But many whove been once again classed as moaners are not that at all
Those who have stayed the pace are in the loyal fans grouping you say we shouldnt forget
Its just that as supporters we all FEEL this loyalty to the club in different ways and the so called moaning stems I believe from the lomg term frustration that some feel

Lets be fair some posters who have contributed to the seasons review have been on the scene a fair while and will show their beliefs and faith in different ways.
The thing that bothers me (and I think some of them) is this

Numbers HAVE dropped even during this consolidation period you mention despite winning the LLS that would in football be lauded to the heights
.......despite Kens cost cutting / price freeze initiatives

In 58- 66 period approx 30odd of us went together to away games on a Hanson bus

I know 3 who still do --- and yes they moan !
But dammit theyre still HERE

Its a Yorks thing I believe that we are poor losers me included
But Im not for "its the taking part "
Sod that -if you take part in a game/contest go and damn well try and win
At the moment we`re not - at least a cup!

yes to me the LLS took more than 1 off games to win and rightly should be applauded but it was achieved on a gradual basis - not at a one off show piece occasion that hangers on would attend (and they did Twickenham and Wembley ) but THEY DIDN`t stay because we didnt win
That sadly is what we`re up against IMO, and is why when such as DG / and other long stay so called moaners start getting doubts, it gets me a little worried about future attendances increasing without the so called silverware that others seem happy to dismiss as irrelevant through rose coloured specs
Without these attendance figure increases - its gonna be a long hard slog in my view whatever happens on the field

Re: Kyle Wood : Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:39 pm  

Durham Giant wrote:

Is our attack based 90% on five runs and then kicks by Brough ? ( or when defensively 3 runs and a long kick to get out of our area) sometimes yes, however we do shift it around. Sometimes too early. We don't just plough it up the middle though.

With Brough out who will kick ? Ellis primarily. Very good kicker, both positionally and goal kicking. Is he a world class kicker, no. Who else in super league is?

Without a kicking game what have we got ? Decent pack, one of the top three wingers in the league, a decent back line.

Do you see Ellis as the main replacement ( His kicking is average he is a support kicker) ? Yes I do. Pretty much every other half in super league would play support to brough, aside from say Sinfield & Walsh.

What pace have we got in the backs and halves ? Jerry and grix aren't slouches. Simpson is lightening further down the track.

How good is our passing to be able to play a different type of game ? We're not the most fluid passing team. We have our moments, but agree this needs to improve.

Now tell me where we would be without Brough. ? Honestly, without brough for an entire season, with the current squad and likely additions etc, I think we'd be in the 8. Probably not troubling the top 4, but certainly nowhere near the million pound game. Brough is huge for us undoubtedly, but we do have other good players.

We will be strong defensively but i do not see us scoring many points. I'd still see points in us.

How many fans would be turning up week in week out watching us . Probably about 4,500.

I think there is a strong case to say that Brough ATM is as important to us as Ken.

Re: Kyle Wood : Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:45 am  

Jo Jumbuck wrote:

I don't know you Ivor.

Pop down to Turnbridge for the Grand Final and we can introduce ourselves.

Re: Kyle Wood : Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:10 pm  

Ivor C&G Scarf wrote:

Pop down to Turnbridge for the Grand Final and we can introduce ourselves.

I'm going to a grand final do Ivor, Maybe another time mate.

[Durham Giant]

Re: Kyle Wood : Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:21 pm  

Baron Greenback wrote: You keep mentioning Hampshire DG - heard anything? For anyone interested read this link about Williams and follow it through where it talks about Hampshire viewtopic.php?f=28&t=589227 I would not want him on loan. Buy him now whilst there is the opportunity and he could be our 6 or 7 for 10 years. Hope someone at the club reads this.

Baron Greenback wrote: You keep mentioning Hampshire DG - heard anything? For anyone interested read this link about Williams and follow it through where it talks about Hampshire viewtopic.php?f=28&t=589227 I would not want him on loan. Buy him now whilst there is the opportunity and he could be our 6 or 7 for 10 years. Hope someone at the club reads this.

Re: Kyle Wood : Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:39 pm  

Durham Giant wrote: For anyone interested read this link about Williams and follow it through where it talks about Hampshire viewtopic.php?f=28&t=589227 I would not want him on loan. Buy him now whilst there is the opportunity and he could be our 6 or 7 for 10 years. Hope someone at the club reads this. The Giants have already decided that Ellis is the future.

Durham Giant wrote: For anyone interested read this link about Williams and follow it through where it talks about Hampshire viewtopic.php?f=28&t=589227 I would not want him on loan. Buy him now whilst there is the opportunity and he could be our 6 or 7 for 10 years. Hope someone at the club reads this. The Giants have already decided that Ellis is the future.

Re: Kyle Wood : Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:17 pm  

we can't afford to buy players!

only way we can do that is by people coming to games and contributing towards the finances.

[Durham Giant]

Re: Kyle Wood : Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:21 pm  

meast wrote:

:FRUSRATED:
we can't afford to buy players!

only way we can do that is by people coming to games and contributing towards the finances.

Would we have money if the club was better run and not offering silly contracts to players.

Alternatively we could improve the team that little bit to take us on to the next level to bring fans in.

Speculate to accumulate because if we carry on like we are doing we are on the slow train to oblivion.

Death by a thousand disappointments.

Re: Kyle Wood : Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:36 pm  

Durham Giant wrote:

Would we have money if the club was better run and not offering silly contracts to players.

Alternatively we could improve the team that little bit to take us on to the next level to bring fans in.

Speculate to accumulate because if we carry on like we are doing we are on the slow train to oblivion.

Death by a thousand disappointments.

What is frustrating is we are a finger tip away from being part of the elite in RL. This so close but no cigar won't go on forever. Either we will make it or we slip down. Unless we grab this opportunity with both hands I fear we will do the latter and slip down, really hope I am wrong.