meast wrote:
welcome to reality and apologies if i'm not stamping my feet and sulking like a good glory hunter that i should be.
i have no problem with anyone criticising the players or the club, i do it myself if i think it needs to said, i don't accept scapegoating players or finding fault with individuals which seems to be the done thing. the club deserve criticism from time to time, it also deserves praise, i have no problem with that.
but to criticise just about everything just because the club have failed to win silverware is pretty crass too.
yes, we have failed to win a trophy again for the 52nd year in a row but the positive is, we have built the club up from virtually nothing to become challengers, we are finally in a position to be challenging, unlike most of the other clubs who just scrap around mid table, despite being wealthier than we are, having bigger crowds than us and being established in the top flight a lot longer than we have.
without the "loyal supporters" there wouldn't be a fan base to build on, there wouldn't be a club for the bandwagoners to join,there is always a place for new fans but you must never forget the loyal fans who have stuck with it.
That is exactly the point thats getting used wrongly in some respects Martin
Many on here have had me down as a moaner for quoting facts for years so one more season will be like water off a ducks back !
Without being disrespectful some of the current regulars are (relative) newcomers so the improvement theyve witnessed is from a "standing start " that even then wasnt the depths " you" and "our kid" witnessed prior to the almost disappearance of the club PRIOR to when Ken rode into the frame. You and many dont want knighthoods for "hanging on in" from way back and that includes Ivor, Cag, et al who I have great respect for . Many including the senior Giants have witnessed a real roller coaster going back as you say to the 50 odd years since we had a trophy. Up at the top competing for the double -down to the depths of more on the field than on the terraces But yeah - thats history / the game has changed / the structure of the game has changed
But many whove been once again classed as moaners are not that at all
Those who have stayed the pace are in the loyal fans grouping you say we shouldnt forget
Its just that as supporters we all FEEL this loyalty to the club in different ways and the so called moaning stems I believe from the lomg term frustration that some feel
Lets be fair some posters who have contributed to the seasons review have been on the scene a fair while and will show their beliefs and faith in different ways.
The thing that bothers me (and I think some of them) is this
Numbers HAVE dropped even during this consolidation period you mention despite winning the LLS that would in football be lauded to the heights
.......despite Kens cost cutting / price freeze initiatives
In 58- 66 period approx 30odd of us went together to away games on a Hanson bus
I know 3 who still do --- and yes they moan !
But dammit theyre still HERE
Its a Yorks thing I believe that we are poor losers me included
But Im not for "its the taking part "
Sod that -if you take part in a game/contest go and damn well try and win
At the moment we`re not - at least a cup!
yes to me the LLS took more than 1 off games to win and rightly should be applauded but it was achieved on a gradual basis - not at a one off show piece occasion that hangers on would attend (and they did Twickenham and Wembley ) but THEY DIDN`t stay because we didnt win
That sadly is what we`re up against IMO, and is why when such as DG / and other long stay so called moaners start getting doubts, it gets me a little worried about future attendances increasing without the so called silverware that others seem happy to dismiss as irrelevant through rose coloured specs
Without these attendance figure increases - its gonna be a long hard slog in my view whatever happens on the field