Re: Kyle Wood : Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:22 pm  

meast wrote:

:FRUSRATED:
we can't afford to buy players!

only way we can do that is by people coming to games and contributing towards the finances.

We never will be able to while we are spending Cap on players who are clearly not good enough.

And how do you propose we get these people coming to games and contributing, If you haven't noticed crowds are diminishing.

That in it's self should tell you we need a fresh approach, Personally I don't think we will get it while we have the present people running the club. Do you think the clubs who we are striving to catch up with would put up with this end of season disappointment year on year, Not a chance, That's why they are where they are, and we are amongst the rest.

Matt01 is right, on our better shows this season we are not that far away but we can only do it for an odd game here and there, That's cause we don't have that quality required to do it week in week out, It's not just about Physical ability It's mental attitude as well, demonstrated perfectly by Ryan Hall, with thirty seconds to go he was still trying to win the game, we had already settled for the draw.

The whole strategy seems to be that if we get a big enough name ,and we keep grinding on, something will miraculously change and one year it will be our turn, so year on year we keep getting these big names and expect them to transform us into winners, and year on year the crowd gets a little less, Maybe we would actually be happier in the second 12

Re: Kyle Wood : Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:39 am  

The backroom staff at the club do an outstanding job - especially considereing how many there are.

Leeds have a backroom staff of 150 [according to Garry Hetherington]. We have perhaps a tenth of that figure.

Re: Kyle Wood : Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:19 am  

Agree with Ivor, James Brammer, for instance has a marketing team of just 2 now whereas before it was 8..these kind of cuts had to come due to the crowds not coming and the need to save money.

If any of you people are unhappy then please feel free to join the HGSA and give us (and the club) any ideas you may have for improving things, the club do meet with us and listen to us so it could be your chance to get your thoughts and ideas through to them ! - that was a genuine offer by the way not a condescending dig at anyone. We are all frustrated that we have lost out again, the lack of crowds, the lack of world class players - we have to be patient and let the club build in its own time ...yes it may take a while but as supporters isn't it always worth the wait after seeing failure ?.

Re: Kyle Wood : Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:45 am  

It's pretty straightforward IMO. They have to grasp the nettle and spend some more money. Saying it can't be afforded is essentially admitting defeat. Otherwise the current trend with respect to crowd numbers isn't got to be reversed. These people may do a great job "all things considered" but it's not getting the desired end result. They should really smash it and if that doesn't work they know the people of Huddersfield don't really want a SL team. A half arsed effort for another 10 years is probably more expensive than 3 years of all out aggressive, strategic marketing. IMO obviously.

Re: Kyle Wood : Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:56 am  

Baron Greenback wrote:

It's pretty straightforward IMO. They have to grasp the nettle and spend some more money. Saying it can't be afforded is essentially admitting defeat. Otherwise the current trend with respect to crowd numbers isn't got to be reversed. These people may do a great job "all things considered" but it's not getting the desired end result. They should really smash it and if that doesn't work they know the people of Huddersfield don't really want a SL team. A half arsed effort for another 10 years is probably more expensive than 3 years of all out aggressive, strategic marketing. IMO obviously.

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Re: Kyle Wood : Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:00 am  

Baron Greenback wrote:

It's pretty straightforward IMO. They have to grasp the nettle and spend some more money. Saying it can't be afforded is essentially admitting defeat. Otherwise the current trend with respect to crowd numbers isn't got to be reversed. These people may do a great job "all things considered" but it's not getting the desired end result. They should really smash it and if that doesn't work they know the people of Huddersfield don't really want a SL team. A half arsed effort for another 10 years is probably more expensive than 3 years of all out aggressive, strategic marketing. IMO obviously.

Agree, we do need to speculate to accumulate. I've even suggested and offered many time to let the fans do the marketing if the club cannot afford it...i'm sure plenty of us would be willing to deliver leaflets, stick posters up, hand out flyers in town etc.

Re: Kyle Wood : Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:11 am  

as i've said repeatedly, we are punching above our weight, we simply cannot match Leeds, Wigan, saints, Warrington, Hull, catalans for finances, crowds, marketing, but yet we are consistently challenging at the top unlike,say hull, who seem to struggle.

we can only go so far on our limited finances, we lose money as a club every year, so we obviously aren't able to bring in a whole raft of backroom staff, as IVOR says, Leeds have over 150 members of their backroom staff, we have less than 40 IIRC.

we are all frustrated at the perceived lack of ambition, but it's not ambition that is holding us back, or the people running the club, it's the lack of finances.

players are given contracts who aren't good enough, well they are good enough according to the people who run the club otherwise they wouldn't sign players, we can't just "get rid" of players as people suggest, we can't just "get people in".

i agree that we are probably 3/4 very good players short of being a very good team that is able to go that next step, but if we cant afford those players then what? why do Wakefield struggle every year? why have Bradford gone downhill?? because they have no money to get better players in!

Re: Kyle Wood : Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:34 am  

Ivor C&G Scarf wrote:

The backroom staff at the club do an outstanding job - especially considereing how many there are.

Leeds have a backroom staff of 150 [according to Garry Hetherington]. We have perhaps a tenth of that figure.

It's quite predictable the way that if you criticize the Giants, you immediately get told what Leeds or Wigan etc have got, what they have got has nothing to do with the Giants, and it inevitably leads on to the " we are punching above our weight"

They certainly do Ivor, Lets look at some of their triumphs, The ludicrous way in which Mason was got rid of, We all know how that ended up including the judge who found in favour of Mason, What was the final cost ? half a million was it, That would have bought a decent Halfback.

The shifty behind the scenes dealing with Kopczak, Fined again, pay up to Bradford.

The getting rid of Hodgson, the best player at Huddersfield for half a century, not worth 2years at the Giants , let Warrington have him for 3 years, Great move.

The Double shuffle with drew, another classy player who wasn't worth 2 years, but eventually became so 2 years later. Ditto Kyle wood, let him go not needed, get him back essential part of our squad.

Now we have L Patrick coming back from loan, Fair enough, the club are saying he will be an improved player, are we now saying then that Wigan and Wakefield improve the players they get from us, they get better coaching and improve their game, Mmm.

Now the latest fine by the RFL for breaching the rules on player welfare.

And while all this doing a good job is going on , the crowds continue to fall.

I think I see where you are coming from Ivor, They probably deserve a pay rise.

Re: Kyle Wood : Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:36 am  

Can some mods do some modding and please do something about this thread - which has several pages NOT about Kyle wood.

I'm not saying that this debate shouldn't continue- but perhaps under a different title thread???

Re: Kyle Wood : Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:48 am  

Jools - it was one of the mods that caused the thread drift !