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Re: Jake Connor : Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:57 pm  
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Broughton isn't as bad under the high ball as some people like to claim.

He took a Robinson kick to the corner two years ago to win the game at Salford. Unfortunately he was playing against us that day.

David Hodgson acquired the name dodgy due to his weakness fielding kicks, but he was an impressive finisher. Whilst I would say Hodgson was a better finisher near the line (though Broughton finished very adeptly in the pre-season game at Halifax), Broughton has already scored tries for us where none of his current team-mates would (Leeds at home and Bradford at Manchester immediately spring to mind). It's quite correct to say speed isn't everything you look for in a winger, but it is certainly an important attribute. Ignore the ridiculous Dwayne Chambers comparison, by that reckoning there would be no place for Martin Offiah.

Anderson appears to prefer wingers who run the ball up hard. Forget subtlety, he seems to like all our players to take the ball up hard. Whilst he doesn't shirk the work, that simply isn't Broughton's forte. His key attribute, his speed - something of a USP in our first team - is not utilized, partly due to our playing style and partly due to his centre. In order to free his winger, Wardle needs to get on the outside of his opposing number and draw the winger. Wardle's passing, despite several years of Super League coaching, does not afford Broughton such chances. Credit to him, he comes up with some big hits, runs some decent lines and can be an imposing figure, but passing isn't one of his better traits.

When we played Leeds away a couple of years ago Brough put in some wonderful kicks for Murphy, whose pace is incomparable to Broughton's. With two quality kickers I would have thought we would be looking to utilize Broughton's pace more. Broughton was top try scorer for a struggling Salford side in 2010, 2011 and second (by one try!) in 2012. Their side wasn't as strong as ours, but they moved the ball better and created opportunities. We still seem to struggle a little in that respect.

If we want a winger who can provide some tough hit ups from dummy half (in addition to Jerry, who does that well) then Broughton probably isn't the winger for us, and we would be better spending his salary on a different type of player. Not all the wingers will have the speed and agility of Broughton. And with our half back pairing, it will be a shame if we can't (or don't) make better use of his ability. If we were able to pass the ball around and showed some flair, Broughton would be scoring regularly, but with limited opportunities to showcase his talent, his frailties, though somewhat largely perceived, are magnified. A little suspect under the high ball perhaps. But a winger being built for speed and balance instead of being built for hit ups isn't a weakness, it's an opportunity. Whether he gets it with us, and our style of play, however, remains to be seen. And with Wardle as his centre, I don't see there being much chance of that happening.


good post, doesnt seem to have happened for broughton here so far which is disappointing, expected big things but i dont think he has been used correctly as the type of winger he is.
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Re: Jake Connor : Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:06 pm  
Used correctly?

So now it's not Wardles fault, it's the coaches!

Maybe he just isn't that good!
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Re: Jake Connor : Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:58 pm  
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Used correctly?

So now it's not Wardles fault, it's the coaches!

Maybe he just isn't that good!


i posed the question could it be wardle as to the reason why broughton hasnt shown what he can do?

you seen wingers with alot of tries and alot of it is down to the centre partner they have too.

just a question not a define answer, thats what forums are to discuss things?

like others have also stated, not just me, we may not be playing to broughtons strengths.

i get it though with you, you just dont like broughton anywhere near the side full stop.
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Re: Jake Connor : Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:33 pm  
So with Ferres, Leroy, Wardle, Broughton, Koppy, Lunt, Robbo and Eorl all being in need of being sent to play for Oldham, at least it means Grix should get his place back which I know would delight all...
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Re: Jake Connor : Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:40 pm  
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So with Ferres, Leroy, Wardle, Broughton, Koppy, Lunt, Robbo and Eorl all being in need of being sent to play for Oldham, at least it means Grix should get his place back which I know would delight all...


:lol: connor would still be ahead of grix at full back! could play him at hooker though if all them got sent to Oldham! :wink:
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Re: Jake Connor : Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:24 pm  
I agree on Connor play him at full back. I think we have bigger problems at the moment though i.e Cudjoes defence and Lunt not performing. Did you watch Saints and South Sydney? Good job we weren't playing Souths as they would have put 70 past us.
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Re: Jake Connor : Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:45 am  
Connor challenging brough for mouthing off at the ref all the time and hes not even the captain!

Aiton was a disgrace lastnight going down like a footballer :NAUGHTY:

did connor do enough lastnight to keep grix out next week?
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Re: Jake Connor : Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:00 pm  
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Connor challenging brough for mouthing off at the ref all the time and hes not even the captain!

Aiton was a disgrace lastnight going down like a footballer :NAUGHTY:

did connor do enough lastnight to keep grix out next week?


I think we have quality with Connor as shown last night with some good runs and he is hopefully our future number 1. Connor needs game time and has huge potential so for that reason yes.

However...I can't help but think we needed Grix's experience last night.
How many losses will it take till we put Grix back in. I'm not blaming Connor with any of our losses but Grix is a lot more experienced at sorting out the defensive line and might relieve some of the pressure from everyone.

It's a tough call for next week regarding team selection in general, not just the full back. We need a win.
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Re: Jake Connor : Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:34 pm  
connor has earned his place and should keep it until proven otherwise, he's still a young lad learning the game and will only get better and more experience by playing games and learning!
it's no good dropping him for Grix because Grix is more experienced, how does Jake gain experience if we drop him for a more experienced player?
must say though that he needs to learn fast about his defensive duties, as he is a bit behind on this, and cut out the niggle!
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Re: Jake Connor : Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:35 pm  
same 17 for me next week, why change for changes sake?
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