Re: Toronto and Toulouse : Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:06 am  

ColD wrote:

Yeah, clearly been done for their own benefit - don't particularly have an issue with expansion, but this is not the way I like to see it being done

I agree, but our game does have to expand further and we'll end up biting our lips a few times why the process evolves.

As long as the money generated through these ventures is invested back into our game, with investment in youth and the lower tiers, I don't have an issue.

What concerns me is as you say, we don't let them have free reign at the cost of our own game.

Re: Toronto and Toulouse : Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:47 pm  

atomic wrote:

I agree, but our game does have to expand further and we'll end up biting our lips a few times why the process evolves.

As long as the money generated through these ventures is invested back into our game, with investment in youth and the lower tiers, I don't have an issue.

What concerns me is as you say, we don't let them have free reign at the cost of our own game.

If they are somewhere in the mix half way through the season, then they must have a distinct advantage staying in Toronto while all other clubs travel over for 11/12 games. Similarly Toulouse being able to opt out of the challenge cup is another example of the tail wagging the dog.

I too am all for expansion, but not at the expense of a heartland club, hence the provision of the £500 parachute payment.

Re: Toronto and Toulouse : Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:01 am  

THECherry&Whites wrote:

Salford won't be around in 2 years time.

I'll get back to You around January 2020. ,
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Re: Toronto and Toulouse : Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:10 am  

ANTWERP RED wrote:

I'll get back to You around January 2020. ,
DEAR MR Ik Weet Niets

I take it your funding the venture still?

Re: Toronto and Toulouse : Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:59 pm  

Harold Rigby Jnr wrote:

Each Super League club agreed in 2016 to pay a relegated SL club £45,000 each, out of Super League club money. Leigh also voted for it, despite not ever wishing to facilitate it.

However, Leigh would be spending at full salary cap 2017 irrespective of any or no parachute payment. If we are to be promoted back to Super League , it would have had zero bearing on that process.

Seems pretty clear to me 2019 will see a return to licensing and I base that opinion on both Toronto and Toulouse stadia upgrades to meet SL licensing criteria.

Regardless of finishing positions in the middle 8's in 2018,clubs who meet the criteria will be offered SL licenses,Toronto and Toulouse both nailed on for that already as the expected criteria is in motion.

The questions are? What will the SL stucture be? Who will forfeit? Who will be reinstated?

All speculation of course,but it seems to me promotion to SL in 2019 will be on criteria not merit.

Re: Toronto and Toulouse : Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:50 pm  

Atomic, the TO upgrade will be nowhere near SL, they have other stadia within the city though. Ideally I believe the SL would like to see Leigh Toronto and Toulouse in the licences 14 club league

Re: Toronto and Toulouse : Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:25 pm  

maurice wrote:

Atomic, the TO upgrade will be nowhere near SL, they have other stadia within the city though. Ideally I believe the SL would like to see Leigh Toronto and Toulouse in the licences 14 club league

The problem is Mo under a 14 club league,if Leigh, Toronto and Toulouse are granted licences that leaves one SL club to be rejected. We know from previous experience of licensing,that the criteria is very strict with no leeway.

Which club would be rejected?

Re: Toronto and Toulouse : Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:57 pm  

atomic wrote:

Seems pretty clear to me 2019 will see a return to licensing and I base that opinion on both Toronto and Toulouse stadia upgrades to meet SL licensing criteria.

Regardless of finishing positions in the middle 8's in 2018,clubs who meet the criteria will be offered SL licenses,Toronto and Toulouse both nailed on for that already as the expected criteria is in motion.

The questions are? What will the SL stucture be? Who will forfeit? Who will be reinstated?

All speculation of course,but it seems to me promotion to SL in 2019 will be on criteria not merit.

Well to meet the criteria it would be interesting to know what the criteria is, because surely it won't just be stadium based - do Toronto/Toulouse have an academy structure for example.

The season starts in less than 2 months, surely there must be an announcement before then

Re: Toronto and Toulouse : Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:47 pm  

ColD wrote:

Well to meet the criteria it would be interesting to know what the criteria is, because surely it won't just be stadium based - do Toronto/Toulouse have an academy structure for example.

The season starts in less than 2 months, surely there must be an announcement before then

Thats the grey area this time round,as they cant just simply close the doors with other potential expansion clubs on the horizon.

Licensing I presume would follow its previous path. Attendance,Stadium capacity minimum 8k with all safety features in place and academies all to be in place before the possibilty of a license.

How they write the criteria without disrupting an established SL club is yet to be seen. As is the dispensation given to the expansion clubs.

I believe I read we would all be told the structure for 2019 prior to the beginning of the 2018 season. Then again this is the RFL.

Re: Toronto and Toulouse : Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:07 pm  

Harold Rigby Jnr wrote:

Each Super League club agreed in 2016 to pay a relegated SL club £45,000 each, out of Super League club money. Leigh also voted for it, despite not ever wishing to facilitate it.

However, Leigh would be spending at full salary cap 2017 irrespective of any or no parachute payment. If we are to be promoted back to Super League , it would have had zero bearing on that process.

“I am really pleased with the job Keiron has done and the calibre of players he has brought to the Club within the reduced budget provided to him.

Care to elaborate H..?