Re: Now what : Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:51 am  

GUBRATS wrote:

They took 2 in the second half , but that's the point , we are/were the SL team at home , I'm all for taking a penalty when it increases pressure on the opposition

In poor conditions where completing sets is difficult , not in perfect conditions

If the scores are level , ie taking a lead

If leading by 6/12 or 18 , ie increasing the converted try margin

All those increase pressure on the opposition

All we did was hand confidence to Rovers

Yes we were struggling to break their line , so force repeat sets , tire them out , a large % of try's in SL are scored on the back of penalties and repeat sets

Agree with all of this. Our second penalty goal smacked of trying to defend a small lead, when we had to go and win the game still.

Re: Now what : Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:35 am  

LeythIg wrote:

Agree with all of this. Our second penalty goal smacked of trying to defend a small lead, when we had to go and win the game still.

I was so pleased you took the two you were on a roll we were blowing a bit all it did was relieve the pressure on us

Re: Now what : Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:50 am  

LeythIg wrote:

Add to that, why do we keep persisting with the idea of Stewart being an "organising 13", reduces our go forward and turns a one dimensional attack into a half dimensional.

As for Drinkwater or Reynolds, I honestly don't know, I think Reynolds' reputation enhances more when he's not in the team than when he is, but would probably pick him over Drinkwater.

If Stewart is going to be picked as an interchange 13, then Hopkins may as well have that role. I think there's a case of interchanging 11 and 12 however.

Are both wingers good enough? No. Higson simply makes costly bad decisions. Could see from 80 yards away that his offload in the first half wasn't going to end well, at a point when we just needed some possession. And I don't know what he was thinking for Shaw's try. I thought Hampshire was now back in contention? He should be playing wing. If Clare is fit, would say there's a case for replacing both wingers.

Undone by one attacking threat, and our goal line defence with multiple defenders on one attacker is found wanting again.

Worse still is we have again failed to close out a close game. Need to treat next week as a free swing, hopefully not as many forwards getting the ball with a standing start and playing with less fear. There's a difference between play off rugby and turgid dross.

On the subject of the two wingers Higson and Dawson, can anyone please explain to me why Jukes has decided to reverse the wings for them, Dawson I seem to recall scored his great number of tries from the left wing position, whist Higson was employed on the right wing in previous years especially in the Liam Kay era, just another conundrum from the mindset of coach.

Re: Now what : Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:01 am  

fun time frankie wrote:

I was so pleased you took the two you were on a roll we were blowing a bit all it did was relieve the pressure on us

Indeed , I won't criticise individual mistakes made during the turmoil of a game , Similarily refs will miss things ( different interpretations of the same offence is an issue ) , but basic game management by either players or coaching staff isn't free from criticism IMO

Re: Now what : Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:09 am  

Harry Stottle wrote:

On the subject of the two wingers Higson and Dawson, can anyone please explain to me why Jukes has decided to reverse the wings for them, Dawson I seem to recall scored his great number of tries from the left wing position, whist Higson was employed on the right wing in previous years especially in the Liam Kay era, just another conundrum from the mindset of coach.

Yup. One of many strange decisions which defy logic. I guess we can put this down to a coach under self-inflicted stress. If it aint broke, lets fix it.

Re: Now what : Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:52 pm  

Dawson is no more a SL winger than I am. He is a spot player due to his defensive frailties. He lacks pace and conviction going forward, his centre never knows where he is. Anyone who saw the opening stages of our 2017 SL debut at Castleford will know what I am talking about.

Willie Tonga's undoubted class and ability to draw in players and free him space covered him for a little but he is not up to this level.

We have better options.

Re: Now what : Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:39 pm  

Harold Rigby Jnr wrote:

Dawson is no more a SL winger than I am.

oookay...

Harold Rigby Jnr wrote:

He is a spot player due to his defensive frailties. He lacks pace and conviction going forward, his centre never knows where he is. Anyone who saw the opening stages of our 2017 SL debut at Castleford will know what I am talking about.

Willie Tonga's undoubted class and ability to draw in players and free him space covered him for a little but he is not up to this level.

We have better options.

Willie was class. But I'd say Dawson has performed incredibly well under testing circumstances. He's been shifted left and right on a weekly basis and has played with a myriad of different centres with zero consistency. Plus, he carries the ball well making good yards. Last season, I thought keeping Kay may have been a better option, this year, Dawson looks the better option. That's my perception.

Re: Now what : Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:29 pm  

LeythIg wrote:

Agree with all of this. Our second penalty goal smacked of trying to defend a small lead, when we had to go and win the game still.

We have taken the tap a number of time this season, can't remember once where we have benefited from it. You see the Cas and Leeds of this world take the 2 in similar circumstances on a regular basis

Re: Now what : Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:30 pm  

ColD wrote:

We have taken the tap a number of time this season, can't remember once where we have benefited from it. You see the Cas and Leeds of this world take the 2 in similar circumstances on a regular basis

At home against Championship opposition ? , no chance

Re: Now what : Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:11 pm  

Harold Rigby Jnr wrote:

Now what? We go and beat Catalan that's what.

Some big decisions needed on team selection prior though.

Does Drinkwater keep his place on the back of today? He took a big hit off Scruton early doors. Not sure if that affected him but he simply was not at the races all afternoon. We have beat Warrington, Wigan, Hull, St.Helens and Huddersfield with Ben Reynolds at 6.

Does Liam Hood keep his place? Do we now need Pelissier to inject something extra with his pace around the ruck?

Is Cory Paterson still effective? Is it time to bring in Sam Hopkins offering some badly needed go forward?

Are both these wingers good enough? Does it now need a bold decision from Jukes to start James Clare in addition to Mitch Brown in Perpignon?

I feel we need fresh impetus. We got done over again at home by a side offering just one attacking threat in Sean Lunt but an abundance of sheer dogged determination, desire and motivation to win.

Hard to say, it's very rare we pass out them.