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Re: Toronto in SL 2018 ? : Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:22 pm  
London has been a major success, just not at pro level!
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Re: Toronto in SL 2018 ? : Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:16 pm  
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If rl was going to be a genuine success in Barrow fev Whitehaven,Cumbria etc then it would have happened by now, they have not made it to superleague and look nowhere near getting here anytime soon,

We can blame the rfl or a new team with ambition and support, but rls biggest downfall is the apathy of a lot of supporters, not turning out in numbers and supporting their club, not being in superleague is not a reason to turn up and support your club, fans are the bread n butter of most clubs who don't have a millionaire backer. If these clubs had been receiving the local support then sponsorship will naturally follow adding to the coffers allowing for a genuine push for promotion. As a by product the lower leagues would be a lot better and we would have more British lads featuring in super league. But it's not happened and is unlikely to.


We can say exactly the same thing about London.

It's not apathy it's just that people prefer to do other things than watch RL. We need to face facts - RL just isn't that popular. Probably about 120K people who watch live in the North any given weekend. I think some people on here think not going to the game is like missing out on the Beatles reforming or something.
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Re: Toronto in SL 2018 ? : Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:03 pm  
London has been a success to an extent and for it to progress sustainably a club must emerge organically and not be shoe horned into super league just because it's in London.

A few hundred extra fans every home game would be huge for a lot of clubs outside of super league.

And if rugby league has gone as far as it can then looking abroad is the next option anyway,

It's funny that if successfull toronto could draw more viewing figures than all of the UK clubs in the future....
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Re: Toronto in SL 2018 ? : Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:44 am  
Dezzies_right_hook wrote:
London has been a success to an extent and for it to progress sustainably a club must emerge organically and not be shoe horned into super league just because it's in London.
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Playing Devil's Advocate should Toronto not do the same?
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Re: Toronto in SL 2018 ? : Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:12 am  
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Playing Devil's Advocate should Toronto not do the same?


It should, and it is, isn't it?
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Re: Toronto in SL 2018 ? : Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:50 am  
Dezzies_right_hook wrote:
If rl was going to be a genuine success in Barrow fev Whitehaven,Cumbria etc then it would have happened by now, they have not made it to superleague and look nowhere near getting here anytime soon,

We can blame the rfl or a new team with ambition and support, but rls biggest downfall is the apathy of a lot of supporters, not turning out in numbers and supporting their club, not being in superleague is not a reason to turn up and support your club, fans are the bread n butter of most clubs who don't have a millionaire backer. If these clubs had been receiving the local support then sponsorship will naturally follow adding to the coffers allowing for a genuine push for promotion. As a by product the lower leagues would be a lot better and we would have more British lads featuring in super league. But it's not happened and is unlikely to.

It would be good in 10-20 years there's a SL UK SL Canada SL France SL??? And have our own wcc champions league type tournament since the Australians cannot really be bothered about it tho I do feel for rl in France and other country's to really grow they must look to having their own full time professional leagues. Inclusion in ours is going to give exposure but what if vancouver quebec etc want in...

Exactly.

These clubs have been around for well over a century and are still and always will be small lower league clubs because cannot entice investors and fans because their populations are tiny.

And i can say the same for SL clubs. Wigan laud themsleves as "the biggest club in rugby league" yet they get about 15000 fans and share that ground with a football team who are smalltime in their sport but are ones who call the shots in that town. This is hardly the minerals of 120+ years of building a giant club whose atendances burst at the seams and are a club with a big worldwide profile is it? Wigan are still just a parochial little sports club from a little town. And what does that say for the rest of us?

Our sport is crying out for the likes of Canada to have a league to match the NRL because the mighty clubs of Northern England aren't anywhere near making SL that! and it's about time our parochial little mindsets realised this n'all. This is, i reckon, the last real opportunity to push this sport to a wider scale and get ourselves out of this rut we've been in for a few deacades. If we don't go all out for this as a sport we are destined to just be the Gaelic football of England - no profile outside of a few little Northern towns.
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Re: Toronto in SL 2018 ? : Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:17 am  
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Exactly.

These clubs have been around for well over a century and are still and always will be small lower league clubs because cannot entice investors and fans because their populations are tiny.

And i can say the same for SL clubs. Wigan laud themsleves as "the biggest club in rugby league" yet they get about 15000 fans and share that ground with a football team who are smalltime in their sport but are ones who call the shots in that town. This is hardly the minerals of 120+ years of building a giant club whose atendances burst at the seams and are a club with a big worldwide profile is it? Wigan are still just a parochial little sports club from a little town. And what does that say for the rest of us?

Our sport is crying out for the likes of Canada to have a league to match the NRL because the mighty clubs of Northern England aren't anywhere near making SL that! and it's about time our parochial little mindsets realised this n'all. This is, i reckon, the last real opportunity to push this sport to a wider scale and get ourselves out of this rut we've been in for a few deacades. If we don't go all out for this as a sport we are destined to just be the Gaelic football of England - no profile outside of a few little Northern towns.


To continue the philosophical discussion - what would be wrong with this? A small passionately supported sport, where players are local and approachable, still affordable to the common man with manageable wage bills? Or do we need to follow the way of football?
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Re: Toronto in SL 2018 ? : Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:53 am  
Exactly i see no problem with being a well supported regional sport. Hurling, Gaelic football and afl don't waste their time and money constantly trying to be something they're not and never will be. The major finals of all of those sports draw huge crowds everytime. Ramp up what we have to make our major events top drawer, couldnt give a monkeys how much more exposure union gets as long as what we get to see of our game is passionate, exciting and good quality.
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Re: Toronto in SL 2018 ? : Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:11 am  
In all honesty it is only in the last 20 or so years where Rugby League has realised it is a stand alone business that has to make a profit to survive. For many years clubs were treated as glorified social clubs for chairmen & their cronies in the belief that local working men would turn out to support their club on matchdays. Alternative entertainment wasn't considered a threat to attendances until it was too late & seven day working is also stopping people from turning out.
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Re: Toronto in SL 2018 ? : Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:43 am  
Frankly, I don't see why we should allow the game to be played outside the heartlands. We have a gem of a game that is a joy to watch, so why should we share it with other regions and countries ? It cannot be beyond the wit of the RFL legal eagles to simply patent the game and prevent it being played elsewhere.

And here is another idea - why do we allow the game to be sold to Sky. People now simply refuse to get off their sofas and come down to the ground. It seems obvious to me that the only reason our attendance are falling are due to Sky TV. Drop the television rights, increase attendances and get the fans back to the sport. Now I realise that we will get a bit less cash, but what is wrong with paying the players a bit less and getting them to take part time jobs. It works in the Championship, and if clubs like York, Salford, Bradford are struggling financially it's clearly due to poor management and they don't deserve to play the game in their area.

Back in the 1950's Warrington were getting big big crowds. In places like Leigh and Huddersfield the teams were drafted mainly from the mining community where the lads would go down the pit in the morning and then play a game in the afternoon - Saturday afternoon by the way, not Thursday night. What happened to that golden era and why do we always have to make changes rather than staying the way we were.
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