Re: Big blows for top four rivals : Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:12 pm  

Johnkendal wrote:

Think you mean Grix !

Can't belevive that Shenton out for season and Kr player only gets 4 games ban, sorry but it's Wigan tactics, Rfl MUST stop this type of tackle, sorry but 4 games is pop a real cop out

Did you see tackle, nowt in it imo

Re: Big blows for top four rivals : Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:21 am  

Johnkendal wrote:

Think you mean Grix !

Can't belevive that Shenton out for season and Kr player only gets 4 games ban, sorry but it's Wigan tactics, Rfl MUST stop this type of tackle, sorry but 4 games is pop a real cop out

You can't have seen the tackle in question. If McIlorum had done that, he would have kicked himself for not getting enough impact. Very unfortunate for Shenton that he got the injury he did.

Re: Big blows for top four rivals : Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:42 am  

gary numan wrote:

Did you see tackle, nowt in it imo

Yes, it's the attacking of the legs when others have hold of the body I have the issue with, and we lost a grand final because of it when it happened to Ratchford !!!
RFL have to send a message out and when they get chance significantly punish somebody with a very very long ban. Mcllourm is is a classic example, he is alway 3 man in and attacks around the knee either from the side or behind

Re: Big blows for top four rivals : Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:48 am  

Wigan have been tackling like that for years and getting away with it !!!!

Re: Big blows for top four rivals : Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:59 am  

Johnkendal wrote:

Yes, it's the attacking of the legs when others have hold of the body I have the issue with, and we lost a grand final because of it when it happened to Ratchford !!!
RFL have to send a message out and when they get chance significantly punish somebody with a very very long ban. Mcllourm is is a classic example, he is alway 3 man in and attacks around the knee either from the side or behind

1. You do realise the tackle in the grand final you're referring to he it hit in the hip/top of thigh not the knee.

2. You're allowed to tackle the back of the knee, its the from/side that is the bad one as it is going against the natural movement of the knee. Even then you should know that 3 man tackles are a staple of good defence in any standard of rugby league.

3. It's cute that you're trying to continue the fallacy of dirty Wigan injuring everyone else's players, but I can't remember the last time a player was injured as a result of an illegal tackle made by a Wigan player.

Re: Big blows for top four rivals : Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:34 am  

You just get away with it unlike other teams, the leagues bias to you saints and Leeds

Re: Big blows for top four rivals : Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:52 am  

I haven't seen the tackle so can't comment on this incident specifically, nor will I go into Wigan tactics as its just going to derail the thread.

I think however third man in tackles targeting the legs of a stationary player need to be banned, you shouldn't be able to tackle the legs of a stationary player. I don't care whether it hits the front, side, back of the knee, or is hitting the hip. Its been shown to cause injury - Ratchford in the Grand Final being an example, so we should be looking to take that out of the game. It doesn't add anything, its not a 'big hit' to get us excited, its a way of slowing the play the ball down at best, and injuring a player at worst.

Re: Big blows for top four rivals : Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:56 am  

What about the one on Ben Evans at the HJ. The Wigan players ripped his legs apart and ruptured his thigh muscle if i remember correctly. May not be illegal as such but is sh~t house tactics employed by Wigan to injure players. The tackle on Ratchford when there was no need for it. Hock gouging Ben Harrisons eyes. You could keep on going with examples, oh and while im at it, we have ratboy coming back with his pinning of players arms so they cant get out, therefore a penalty is given or if not he will drop the ball and say its been ripped out.

Re: Big blows for top four rivals : Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:59 am  

ComeOnYouWolves wrote:

What about the one on Ben Evans at the HJ. The Wigan players ripped his legs apart and ruptured his thigh muscle if i remember correctly. May not be illegal as such but is sh~t house tactics employed by Wigan to injure players. The tackle on Ratchford when there was no need for it. Hock gouging Ben Harrisons eyes. You could keep on going with examples, oh and while im at it, we have ratboy coming back with his pinning of players arms so they cant get out, therefore a penalty is given or if not he will drop the ball and say its been ripped out.

That was at Saints.....

Re: Big blows for top four rivals : Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:15 am  

ComeOnYouWolves wrote:

What about the one on Ben Evans at the HJ. The Wigan players ripped his legs apart and ruptured his thigh muscle if i remember correctly. May not be illegal as such but is sh~t house tactics employed by Wigan to injure players. The tackle on Ratchford when there was no need for it. Hock gouging Ben Harrisons eyes. You could keep on going with examples, oh and while im at it, we have ratboy coming back with his pinning of players arms so they cant get out, therefore a penalty is given or if not he will drop the ball and say its been ripped out.

On the flip side, Westwood punching Blake Green, Westwood punching Sam Tomkins. Sims punching Williams, Sims punching another Wigan player (can't remember which one but he got banned for both).
We can all name things players of other teams have done, but we all forget the misdemeanours of our own. Rugby is a physical sport and things get out of hand sometimes. But to suggest that players intentionally try and hurt or injure each other is ridiculous (in terms of trying to break legs etc).

Players of opposing teams are much better friends off the pitch than people give them credit for and with very few exceptions, wouldn't want to actually hurt one another seriously.

At the end of the day if something is dangerous and likely to cause injury then it will be seen on video after the game, acted on, and the player or technique will be banned (Shoulder charge, chicken wing, cannonball). If you honestly believe the RFL are allowing certain teams to get away with things that are truly dangerous to player welfare and injury due to a bias then you're beyond help.

FWIW I don't think there was much in the Shenton/Boudebza tackle. He only got 4 games because of the seriousness of the injury, which I don't believe should be the case. The ban should come from the style of tackle/foul play rather than the outcome or injury sustained.

Also, you only have to look back at your game vs Leeds on Thursday to see that 'Ratboy' isn't the only player in super league to trap the players arm in the tackle. You could hear the ref on Thursday telling players from both teams to stop doing it on multiple occasions. I agree it's frustrating and I think a penalty should be given to the defending team if players are caught doing it on purpose, but as I said, many players in all teams do it.