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Re: First 6 Games
Post Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:38 pm
Posted by Gazwire on Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:38 pm
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I'm getting really excited and hold much hope going in to the new season. I'm hoping the new coaching structure will bring a big turn in our fortunes fairly soonish, in the same way Smith dramatically changed our performance and results when he arrived. First and foremost, we should be patient and give Price the time and space he needs. That said, with the new energy, players and returnees, I don't don't see why we can't win our first 6 and more. Firstly though, I'll be happy if there are signs of effort- that will make an instant improvement on last year. Anything else will be a bonus during the early rounds.

Although untested as a unit, our pack should cause at least a few problems with these players on the pitch at any one time:- Hill, Clark, Cooper, BMM, Sitaleki, Currie.

I think we have so much to look forward to this year with some exciting recruitment and new coaching staff. COYW
Re: First 6 Games
Post Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:02 am
Posted by AS108 on Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:02 am
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I'm a Warrington fan and agree with a lot of what you say, but not the bit in bold.

What is the standard for a marquee player if Roberts does not meet it? Off the top of my head the marquee players in SL I can think of are Tomkins, Williams, Watkins, Barba and previously Sandow. The only players better than Roberts are maybe Barba and Sandow, but even then they are not as consistent and have played in better teams which makes it easier to look good.

The question for me is not Roberts' marquee quality, it's whether he settles. If he does, his off-the-cuff brilliance suits the English game and is just what Warrington and Super League need. Take a look at some stuff he's done in a more defence-based league and you'll see what he could achieve in our more open game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puHA-W01SDc


Haven’t watched much off him tbh, just gone off what I’ve seen a few people say so I might well be wrong but either way definitely an improvement on Brown, Patton and Gidley as well.
Re: First 6 Games
Post Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:15 am
Posted by mikej on Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:15 am
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Leeds could go either way (inspite of any preseason games, both teams will be "rusty"), I expect a loss away at Hull, and wins in the other 4 of the 6.
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Post Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:30 am
Posted by Asgardian13 on Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:30 am
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3/6 as posters have said they are happy with would once again see us fighting to avoid the drop for relegation. That isn't anywhere near good enough for a team like Warrington.

If we aren't top 4 by May...Price needs shipping out and Hendo to replace him and if there's no improvement by July then he goes too.
No fluffing about...out.

As others have said 3/6 in March is not 'relegation zone' for a brand new coach with a very new team. There will remain lots of time to continue to gel and improve our results. Equally, to sack Price for not getting in the top four at first time of asking is crazy - the sort of idiocy that goes on in Premier League soccer. I'm also puzzled that you'd sack Price and appoint his (presumably also guilty of poor coaching) assistant even for a few months: what happened the last couple of times we tried that? I am as ambitious for the club as is anyone here but heaping on the pressure for instant magic after the money our directors have splashed out in the close season is totally unreasonable.
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Re: First 6 Games
Post Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:11 am
Posted by Wires71 on Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:11 am
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Gazwire wrote:
I'm getting really excited and hold much hope going in to the new season.


And so it begins. The roller coaster which is being a Wire fan. :-)
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Re: First 6 Games
Post Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:23 am
Posted by easyWire on Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:23 am
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The other thing to consider alongside the time required for the new team to gel and to perfect Price’s style of play, is that there are huge changes behind the scenes from the bottom up.

I don’t know how Price will go as a coach but as a ‘Head of Rugby Ops’ he’s already impressed me with the structures he’s building below first team level. It might just be that missing link we’ve needed to be properly successful as a big club (I don’t think you can count Warrington or Hull’s recent trophy successes on the same level as Leeds, Saints and Wigan, nor the the success of the youth system).

So lots to be positive about even if we lose 3/6 early on, and finish outside the top 4. Onwards and upwards.

EDIT: A lot of people point to Price’s record in his first head coach job at St George. As well as being fairly young and inexperienced for a head coach at that level, it’s worth comparing his record to that of the now legendary Tony Smith in his first job:

“He first season in charge saw Huddersfield relegated to National League One, which consequently followed their dreadful start to the season losing 13 games in a row. A record number of consecutive defeats for a coach who held on to his job in British Rugby League”

We all know what Smith went on to do with Leeds a season or two later...
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Post Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:02 pm
Posted by sally cinnamon on Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:02 pm
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My expectations at this point are quite low.

Last season we were a team in a relegation battle.

We have made changes but they are changes with question marks over them. The new coach had one previous head coaching job and it went badly. We have signed journeymen type players plus one guy who has done well in SL in BMM. We lost to Widnes in pre season when we had a fair few of the first team squad out against the worst team in SL. We've scrapped the reserve team.

I'm not writing us off, but I can see exactly the kind of criticisms which will be filling this board in a few months time by the hindsight brigade who will say it was obvious we hadn't done enough in the off season.

I think we will be between 6th and 9th this season - my main hope is that we avoid the bottom 4 but I don't see us being close to contending with the top teams. I would guess we will win 2 from the first 6.
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Post Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:12 pm
Posted by sally cinnamon on Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:12 pm
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easyWire wrote:

EDIT: A lot of people point to Price’s record in his first head coach job at St George. As well as being fairly young and inexperienced for a head coach at that level, it’s worth comparing his record to that of the now legendary Tony Smith in his first job:

“He first season in charge saw Huddersfield relegated to National League One, which consequently followed their dreadful start to the season losing 13 games in a row. A record number of consecutive defeats for a coach who held on to his job in British Rugby League”

We all know what Smith went on to do with Leeds a season or two later...


The difference there was Smith took over the worst team in SL, had a bad start but turned them round and by the end of his third season he had made them more competitive than they had been in years. Price took over the NRL champions and was sacked during his third season after overseeing a period of decline.
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Post Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:22 pm
Posted by Wires71 on Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:22 pm
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sally cinnamon wrote:
My expectations at this point are quite low.

Last season we were a team in a relegation battle.

We have made changes but they are changes with question marks over them. The new coach had one previous head coaching job and it went badly. We have signed journeymen type players plus one guy who has done well in SL in BMM. We lost to Widnes in pre season when we had a fair few of the first team squad out against the worst team in SL. We've scrapped the reserve team.

I'm not writing us off, but I can see exactly the kind of criticisms which will be filling this board in a few months time by the hindsight brigade who will say it was obvious we hadn't done enough in the off season.

I think we will be between 6th and 9th this season - my main hope is that we avoid the bottom 4 but I don't see us being close to contending with the top teams. I would guess we will win 2 from the first 6.


Fair points. For the avoidance of doubt a lot of people were hoping for another signing(s) to the forwards. A team relying on the likes of George King, Philbin, Hughes and Crosby won't win SL in my opinion.

I think we will do better than last year and make the 8 but that's about it. By mid-end season the talk will all being about building for 2019. We fell a long way in the fag end of Tony's reign.
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Post Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:37 pm
Posted by sally cinnamon on Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:37 pm
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Wires71 wrote:
I think we will do better than last year and make the 8 but that's about it. By mid-end season the talk will all being about building for 2019. We fell a long way in the fag end of Tony's reign.


I wonder if by mid-end season a lot of the talk on here will be about Andrew Henderson.

We have the opposite situation to Agar, who was a scapegoat on this board for us doing badly. Henderson is rated highly, and seemed to tick every box at London in what you would want from a coach.

As SL teams start sacking their coaches, Henderson will be linked with the vacancies. If we are flying high then it will just be accepted as a reality that he was going to get picked up by someone else, but if we are struggling there will be calls for Henderson to replace Price before we lose him. I wonder how we would feel if we were in the bottom four at the halfway point, and one of our rivals like Huddersfield or Widnes sacked their coach and appointed Henderson...
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