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Re: Reserve team gone
Post Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:14 pm
Posted by marshman777 on Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:14 pm
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And they are now where ??. Did they get trials or were they making up numbers for the reserves without having to pay someone . I am being cynical but its not beyond possibility that this is the case, as it used to be with the old A-Team., anyone who went to the A-Team games at Wilderspool will remember the team sheets with A N Other littered through for both teams. Great days and great memories but I really think people are forgetting the truth at times of how it used to be.
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Re: Reserve team gone
Post Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:09 am
Posted by mikej on Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:09 am
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Rochdale are left in the poop with a load of positions to fill with lads that the forced out the team to accommodate the duel lads. Duel Reg weakens the championship game rather than helping it.


Except that its possible at the moment that Rochdale cant even afford to have those "local lads" in the team in the first place, hence they arent being pushed out by the Warrington dual reg player, the dual reg players are plugging Rochdale's gaps.
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Re: Reserve team gone
Post Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:01 pm
Posted by PrinterThe on Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:01 pm
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Warrington, and maybe other clubs too, have had players kicking about on the books that everyone with eyes in their head can see are not up to the grade nor ever will be. Just a waste of everyones time. Those not up to the grade should be released from the game whilst they are still young enough to go back into full time education/apprenticeships rather than keeping a 23 year old hanging on with a dream.


Great point. Those in favour of reserves point out the good that it can do for those 1 or 2 guys who make it as a late developer but don't consider where it leaves the 6/7/8 youngsters you kept hanging around that still don't end up making it.

Yes it's harsh to have to make decisions about players at a young age, but professional sport is harsh and tough decisions have to be made even if you don't like it.
Re: Reserve team gone
Post Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:05 pm
Posted by Jimathay on Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:05 pm
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I'm firmly of the view that we don't have the quality numbers of players to support an extra tier within the game.

The point of a reserve grade is to provide a bridge from of U19's to SL, not to be a holding pen for average players. Each player in a reserve league should be playing for the chance of a SL shirt.

But practically speaking where do you find these players to populate this league? You could argue that SL itself doesn't have enough quality to fill up each of the 12 first teams.

Is it viable to run an entire reserve league, of 204 players each week, just to bridge the gap for the handful of U19 players that look good enough but need a little more time?

The game would struggle to do that now, and with general RL participation on a 10-year decrease of nearly 40%, longer term, there'll be even less quality to support a reserve tier of any reasonable standard.

So to the change the question - assuming running an old school reserve grade isn't a viable solution (and lets be honest - it isn't - there's a solid reason Warrington and Hull have just ditched theirs, be it financial, player quality, or just numbers available, and only 6/24 clubs now have one) - what is the answer to giving 18-21 y/o players meaningful game time? Modify dual-reg? Clubs running merged reserve teams? Expand U19's to U21s? Integrate the U19/21s into the senior tiers, and allow them to compete in L1 or Championship? Adopt a proper professional feeder club approach like the NRL?
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Re: Reserve team gone
Post Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:23 pm
Posted by ninearches on Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:23 pm
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We seem to be in a catch 22 situation here. A long term plan is obviously not on the agenda because time will tell that unless the game is expanded from its roots it will disappear & very quickly once it starts. Unfortunately, overseas players will never be available in sufficient quality or quantity to save the English game so unless the RFL are planning to use East European labour the game needs to grow from within . A mighty oak with diseased roots can't be substituted by a eucalyptus tree.
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Post Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:52 pm
Posted by rubber duckie on Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:52 pm
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I disagree that the game needs expansion to survive. In many instances that is the very thing that kills it.
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Re: Reserve team gone
Post Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:33 pm
Posted by Wires71 on Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:33 pm
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ninearches wrote:
We seem to be in a catch 22 situation here. A long term plan is obviously not on the agenda because time will tell that unless the game is expanded from its roots it will disappear & very quickly once it starts. Unfortunately, overseas players will never be available in sufficient quality or quantity to save the English game so unless the RFL are planning to use East European labour the game needs to grow from within . A mighty oak with diseased roots can't be substituted by a eucalyptus tree.


The RFL 2016 Annual report cites 2,017 registered teams and 55,257 players (up 2% on 2015).
Look at how organised the NRL player development is organised https://playnrl.com/game-development-regions/

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