Tony Puletua : Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:31 pm  

Is there any truth in the rumours of side payments regarding his time at Salford

Re: Tony Puletua : Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:39 pm  

I'm sure the new Salford oracle who specializes in negativity will be here presently to avail you of all the news.

Re: Tony Puletua : Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:49 pm  

Michigan red wrote:

I'm sure the new Salford oracle who specializes in negativity will be here presently to avail you of all the news.

So we take that as a yes.

Re: Tony Puletua : Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:11 pm  

Seen the article in the nations favourite 'the sun'. Hope its not true or were screwed.

Re: Tony Puletua : Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:35 pm  

Wigan bashed the cap to avoid relegation and I think they got a 2 or 4 point deduction. Surely if we have been caught it will be the same for us?

Re: Tony Puletua : Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:48 pm  

salford1970 wrote:

Wigan bashed the cap to avoid relegation and I think they got a 2 or 4 point deduction. Surely if we have been caught it will be the same for us?

Wigan "broke the spirit of the cap" and the limit at the time was 4 points - it has since been dramatically increased since then. I believe 10 points is now the maximum (and may be higher next year, as iirc it was one of the compromises about bringing in the marquee rule in)

Re: Tony Puletua : Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:09 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Wigan "broke the spirit of the cap" and the limit at the time was 4 points - it has since been dramatically increased since then. I believe 10 points is now the maximum (and may be higher next year, as iirc it was one of the compromises about bringing in the marquee rule in)

"broke the spirit of the cap"

Does that mean, broke the cap?

Nice way of phrasing it mind, iirc they spent big to get themselves out of trouble.

10 points would be quite a big kick in the nuts. Might as well lose the other games, keep the team fresh and earn the place back in SL from the middle eight. Well that's next year sorted out then.

Re: Tony Puletua : Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:18 pm  

My understanding is that TP brought this case because he was promised money that he says he has never received.Now i might be missing something here but if he never received any money then what offence have Salford actually committed."Failure to pay an underhand bung in used notes into a foreign bank account" is not an offence i am aware of in the RFL operating rules.

Re: Tony Puletua : Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:32 pm  

salford1970 wrote:

Wigan bashed the cap to avoid relegation and I think they got a 2 or 4 point deduction. Surely if we have been caught it will be the same for us?

Bad news :-

Salary Cap Offence - Sanctions, 9.1.3 in the case of a Club, the deduction of up to 20 Super League competition points;

Re: Tony Puletua : Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:39 pm  

salford1970 wrote:

"broke the spirit of the cap"

Does that mean, broke the cap?

Nice way of phrasing it mind, iirc they spent big to get themselves out of trouble.

10 points would be quite a big kick in the nuts. Might as well lose the other games, keep the team fresh and earn the place back in SL from the middle eight. Well that's next year sorted out then.

"Broke the spirit of the cap" translated to "wigan were smarter than the people making the rules at the time, but we weren't great fans of what they did" - they didn't technically break the cap, but they diliberately circumvented it.

similarly, promising players big bonuses for winning mom and individual awards from the club followed by a wink wink nod nod doesn't technically break the cap, but certainly circumvents it.

Side payments in the other hand is simply breaking the cap that would see big numbers punished - as the above post says, it can be up to 20 points - starting 10 games behind is a lot!