Re: Poor Journalism or victim of modern media? : Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:24 pm  

Michigan red wrote:

My feelings on the MEN and the erstwhile journalist they have covering RL.

The MEN offers a valuable resource for the club, but where it does fall down is in the accuracy of what it reports and the images/names it uses. What does annoy me is the blatant constant rehashing of the same story, the MEN in the Doc have a wonderful resource right on it's doorstep and I'm bewildered why there isn't a weekly column featuring him, simple idea like the surgery or the Docs waiting room.

I often wonder if the reporting and stories used in the MEN would be more accurate and more insightful if one of our number on here wrote it.

Quite agree with the above. I think some journalists just make up stuff, certainly rehash a lot of stories
I went to a meeting years ago when Gus Risman was our manager/coach and he said,( regarding the late great journalist), Jack McNarmara
" you may not agree with everything Jack writes but we get plenty of columns/publicity in the MEN from him

Re: Poor Journalism or victim of modern media? : Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:23 pm  

I never read the rag personally. But speaking of journalism goes back to the Sky TV coverage of Super League. It's got to the point now where games are being reffed with SKY being the proxy! The way that Eddie Hemmings (a real journalist) goes on about certain decisions and WON'T let it go until one of his colleagues (usually Phil) chimes in and and "puts it to bed".....with the irritation very obvious in his voice(quite rightly) is ridiculous. They should take their lead from people like Ray warren and Phil Gould who rarely get embroiled in specific incidents. I think even Stuart Cummings get fed up with it sometimes.

Re: Poor Journalism or victim of modern media? : Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:11 am  

I agree.
If the St Helens game hadn't been televised,I think Hock would still be with us,although I'm not sure how long for ,or whether it would've been a good thing anyway !
It's the same with soccer,the pundits are very entertaining and informative,but they're putting massive pressure on the authorities

Re: Poor Journalism or victim of modern media? : Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:15 am  

I watch SL games without the SKY commentary for the reasons mentioned above, that and I find Carney the single most annoying person on TV.

When you watch the NRL coverage the presenters are much more informative, infinitely more entertaining and in Yvonne Sampson they have the next ex Mrs MR. Ray Warren exudes knowledge, Sterling is just entertaining, Ray Gould has done it all and even with his association to the Panthers offers the most subjective incite into the players/teams and even the most obviously biased commentator Wally Lewis speaks with such authority his bias towards Queensland/Brisbane doesn't really matter.

I've said it time and again SKY should invest and do what it takes to get Andrew Voss over here, he is quite simply brilliant and the partnership he struck up with Brian Noble when they both worked on the last RL world cup shows that some of the presenters we have over here are dragged down by the people they have working with them.

Re: Poor Journalism or victim of modern media? : Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:21 am  

Living in HillBilly Land, I need teh MEN to keep abreast of Salford's woes news.

However to give the thead context, today's MEN (Wed 04/03/15) has a whole page on Salford with the bulk of it the good doctor's column. The other is the Locke story re not going to Scortland and the Chase story Mr BF referred to.

Not bad in space when the big boys are playing tonight.

Re: Poor Journalism or victim of modern media? : Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:51 am  

I think it's a bit of everything that has been mentioned:

- The paper’s editorial attitude to the game in the last 15 or so years.
- Insatiable appetite for football, crushing every other sport.
- Industry still in flux, shaping articles for online consumption, clickbait etc. (Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph fingered for this recently too.)
- Readability, reduced attention span, dual screens etc.
- Heavier leaning toward the wont of advertisers.
- Competing with the immediacy of social media.

Another thing, clubs are nowhere near as reliant on print media as they used to be. So they can be more guarded, or less forthcoming with information, than they used to be. So the newspaper is damned if it publishes nothing and damned when it has to manufacture something.

Re: Poor Journalism or victim of modern media? : Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:54 pm  

I cannot remember the quote ... it was from such as Beaverbrooke.
Simply put, he said a newspaper will not sell if it stuck to the truth and instructed, but would make a profit if it entertained instead of worrying about truth.