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Re: Dublin Blues for League One in 2020
Post Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:31 am
Posted by Joff on Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:31 am
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Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:
If social media likes qualify someone to run a club, Marwan Koukash is your man. Ahh he already failed miserably.

No thanks. Mr Pallywood is an embarrassment to the sport.
Re: Dublin Blues for League One in 2020
Post Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:52 pm
Posted by Call Me God on Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:52 pm
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Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:
Why do RLfans always claim we have the greatest game on earth, but dismiss out of hand RL’s chance of success outside the m62 corridor. That’s something I’ve never been able to understand.

Success? Define Success!
London, whilst not a total disaster, still failed in Superleague, but now seem to have found their level as a Top tier Championship club, with a good youth set up, albeit at the say so of their benefactor.

Other than that, we've had PNG and Crusaders, both who were "backed by benefactors" who expected the SKY funding to be enough to run a SL club ......it wasn't!

Then in the tiers below SL we have Skolars, Newcastle, North Wales, Toulouse and Toronto, the latter of which whom are starting to look a lot like Crusaders in that they are almost frothing at the mouth in anticipation of the £1.8 million in funding next year (as are some of their suppliers)....it still won't be enough and to cmpete Argyle will need to drop £2 million a year for a decade.....Toronto are getting "PSGesque" crowds and seem to have a bit of razzmatazz about them, but next year in SL they will be dealing with much bigger fish, so the Jury is still out. Hemel don't play in Hemel, West Wales are a basket case and lest we forget...Gloucester and Oxford.......where did they get to?

It's not that RL fans want expansion to fail, it's just that done as a stand alone SL rich mans toy it has failed so far and done as "from the bottom up" scenario, it takes 2 decades or more and we've broken a lot of eggs in the process for no omlette.....Toronto are a Hybrid and may well buck the trend, but Dublin, with 10 of their starting 13 as Union Players not up to scratch, playing in the North of Dublin before moving south, run by a guy who runs Lancashire Irish RL with its 200 likes on FB, with no sponsors and with no backers other than some people that apparently "want to invest" according to a bloke that knows some other bloke at the RFL is as pie in the sky as it gets.

As HMcN, the funding guy at Skolars about setting up in a strange town with a strange game on a limited budget and with no pedigree or heritage........He should be Knighted for his services to RL, but the reality is his side after 23 years in existence and 16 years in the top tiers are a bottom 5 club out of the 38 we have in those top 3 tiers.....or better still, ask any London Broncos fan what would happen if David Hughes was to pull his backing....and it's not just outside SL either......Look at what happened to one of our only 4 winners of SL to date. Bradford wouldn't exist as the entity they are now without the benevolence of the RFL......and if, as expected, Bradford and York go up, then the Dublin Blues will be joining a division with an average attendance of 500 or so......

...so no. I am not dismissing this imaginary team "out of hand" but with the knowledge and research of seeing the multiple failures that have gone before.
JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Wakefield is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:
Re: Dublin Blues for League One in 2020
Post Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:43 pm
Posted by GUBRATS on Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:43 pm
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Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:
Why wasn’t David Argyle interested in taking over Salford or Leigh? You’d have to ask him, .


He was , he offered to buy Leigh , but was turned down , so I wonder what his plan was there ?
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Re: Dublin Blues for League One in 2020
Post Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:54 pm
Posted by Call Me God on Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:54 pm
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GUBRATS wrote:
He was , he offered to buy Leigh , but was turned down , so I wonder what his plan was there ?

Pie Canon?
JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Wakefield is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:
Re: Dublin Blues for League One in 2020
Post Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:24 pm
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Call Me God wrote:
Pie Canon?


Cannon fodder more like
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Re: Dublin Blues for League One in 2020
Post Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:42 pm
Posted by jakeyg95 on Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:42 pm
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Call Me God wrote:
Pie Canon?


Why do you think he's chosen to invest in Toronto rather than a team in Australia? If he's in mining I guess he's pretty tied to WA. Would surely be a much better use of his cash backing an NRL team there than wasting it on Toronto.
Re: Dublin Blues for League One in 2020
Post Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:19 pm
Posted by Trainman on Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:19 pm
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I like the idea of having a team from each of the home nations in Super League. As a sport we need to learn from previous failed ventures and build strong foundations rather than chucking a few quid at them and hoping 10000 people turn up.
Re: Dublin Blues for League One in 2020
Post Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:53 pm
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Trainman wrote:
I like the idea of having a team from each of the home nations in Super League. As a sport we need to learn from previous failed ventures and build strong foundations rather than chucking a few quid at them and hoping 10000 people turn up.


Agree
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Re: Dublin Blues for League One in 2020
Post Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:22 pm
Posted by Call Me God on Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:22 pm
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Trainman wrote:
I like the idea of having a team from each of the home nations in Super League.

I like the idea of cheap beer, early retirement and world peace....doesn't mean it's coming any time soon :D
Trainman wrote:
As a sport we need to learn from previous failed ventures and build strong foundations rather than chucking a few quid at them and hoping 10000 people turn up.

So, back to your Home Nations. Teams in Belfast, Cardiff and Edinburgh where there is little if any interest in RL will be allocated a side and funded how exactly? This is a genuine question, because for all his faults (there are loads by the way), David Hughes has sunk between £25 and £30,000,000 into London over the last 11 years and still that club relies 100% on his benevolence to exist.
These strong foundations you mention. Would this be a program of youth/schools development linked to these new clubs, with RFL funded development officers in place to assist the club put down roots in the region? I have bad news for you......the RFL have no employees in London now......none at all. If it weren't for Hector and Dave at the Skolars and Broncos, there'd be no pathway south of Sheffield......but let's say the RFL gave each of your imaginary teams 3 Development officers each......what then? Free tickets for the kids? Great....bus 'em in, but again, who pays for this?

Wakefield, Salford, Huddrrsfield and Widnes have collectively 608 years of history between them.....and in 2018 collectively averaged 4,500 between them as an average. The break even figure for a SL club is 10,000 (Nigel Hudgell).............and that's 10,000 paying £15.00 a pop...so whilst Belfast, Cardiff and Edinburgh build to get this figure of sustainable income....who bankrolls them

I'm off for a cheap pint to discuss world peace with my buddies who took early retirement :wink:
JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Wakefield is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:
Re: Dublin Blues for League One in 2020
Post Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:28 am
Posted by JEAN CAPDOUZE on Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:28 am
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Call Me God wrote:
Success? Define Success!
London, whilst not a total disaster, still failed in Superleague, but now seem to have found their level as a Top tier Championship club, with a good youth set up, albeit at the say so of their benefactor.

Other than that, we've had PNG and Crusaders, both who were "backed by benefactors" who expected the SKY funding to be enough to run a SL club ......it wasn't!

Then in the tiers below SL we have Skolars, Newcastle, North Wales, Toulouse and Toronto, the latter of which whom are starting to look a lot like Crusaders in that they are almost frothing at the mouth in anticipation of the £1.8 million in funding next year (as are some of their suppliers)....it still won't be enough and to cmpete Argyle will need to drop £2 million a year for a decade.....Toronto are getting "PSGesque" crowds and seem to have a bit of razzmatazz about them, but next year in SL they will be dealing with much bigger fish, so the Jury is still out. Hemel don't play in Hemel, West Wales are a basket case and lest we forget...Gloucester and Oxford.......where did they get to?

It's not that RL fans want expansion to fail, it's just that done as a stand alone SL rich mans toy it has failed so far and done as "from the bottom up" scenario, it takes 2 decades or more and we've broken a lot of eggs in the process for no omlette.....Toronto are a Hybrid and may well buck the trend, but Dublin, with 10 of their starting 13 as Union Players not up to scratch, playing in the North of Dublin before moving south, run by a guy who runs Lancashire Irish RL with its 200 likes on FB, with no sponsors and with no backers other than some people that apparently "want to invest" according to a bloke that knows some other bloke at the RFL is as pie in the sky as it gets.

As HMcN, the funding guy at Skolars about setting up in a strange town with a strange game on a limited budget and with no pedigree or heritage........He should be Knighted for his services to RL, but the reality is his side after 23 years in existence and 16 years in the top tiers are a bottom 5 club out of the 38 we have in those top 3 tiers.....or better still, ask any London Broncos fan what would happen if David Hughes was to pull his backing....and it's not just outside SL either......Look at what happened to one of our only 4 winners of SL to date. Bradford wouldn't exist as the entity they are now without the benevolence of the RFL......and if, as expected, Bradford and York go up, then the Dublin Blues will be joining a division with an average attendance of 500 or so......

...so no. I am not dismissing this imaginary team "out of hand" but with the knowledge and research of seeing the multiple failures that have gone before.


Who has the time to read all this above? Could somebody please summarise what he says in 3 sentences?
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