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Re: New structure for 2019
Post Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:33 am
Posted by Bull Mania on Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:33 am
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I reckon they'll be 14 teams in SL, as the SL chairman quickly realise loop fixtures don't work, but still need the extra home games.
Re: New structure for 2019
Post Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:15 am
Posted by Nothus on Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:15 am
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Bull Mania wrote:
I reckon they'll be 14 teams in SL, as the SL chairman quickly realise loop fixtures don't work, but still need the extra home games.


More SL teams means less money for each of them. Absolutely no chance of them agreeing to that.
Re: New structure for 2019
Post Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:57 am
Posted by Fully on Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:57 am
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More SL teams means less money for each of them. Absolutely no chance of them agreeing to that.


Not necessarily given Championship sides already receive central funding totalling something like £1.5m between them and Leigh got a parachute payment of £500k. That leaves only a shortfall of £1.6m.

Also the Sky deal when announced said that £146m would go to Super League clubs over the 5 years with them getting £1.825m each. So this begs the question of where the £37m or so difference is going and to where? Competition prizes and finishing position bonuses of £7m per season?

Could we just not lower the prizes across the sliding scale to fund the difference? Should clubs finishing outside the top 4 really get prizes/finishing money? Do Widnes deserve anything this season for their contribution to SL?
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Re: New structure for 2019
Post Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:34 pm
Posted by Levrier on Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:34 pm
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I get the feeling that we are going round in circles with various people suggesting the very ideas that did not work last time. There are some definites that have to be taken into account though. We need a certain number of games at home to be profitable being the biggie. What are the main criteria for the Super League of the future? That might be the best starting point. I would suggest;
1. Teams must be run in a financially responsible way.
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Re: New structure for 2019
Post Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:36 pm
Posted by Mr Dog on Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:36 pm
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Fully wrote:
Not necessarily given Championship sides already receive central funding totalling something like £1.5m between them and Leigh got a parachute payment of £500k. That leaves only a shortfall of £1.6m.

Also the Sky deal when announced said that £146m would go to Super League clubs over the 5 years with them getting £1.825m each. So this begs the question of where the £37m or so difference is going and to where? Competition prizes and finishing position bonuses of £7m per season?

Could we just not lower the prizes across the sliding scale to fund the difference? Should clubs finishing outside the top 4 really get prizes/finishing money? Do Widnes deserve anything this season for their contribution to SL?


The RFL also get a share, not least for providing administrative functions for SLE as well as to 'run' the sport and some of the deal is for Sky's right to show some CC games. Somewhere I have a link to how the money is distributed and will post if I can find it.

PS The SL clubs all chipped in from their £1.85m to fund Leigh's parachute payment.
Re: New structure for 2019
Post Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:57 pm
Posted by Mr Dog on Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:57 pm
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Fully wrote:
Not necessarily given Championship sides already receive central funding totalling something like £1.5m between them and Leigh got a parachute payment of £500k. That leaves only a shortfall of £1.6m.

Also the Sky deal when announced said that £146m would go to Super League clubs over the 5 years with them getting £1.825m each. So this begs the question of where the £37m or so difference is going and to where? Competition prizes and finishing position bonuses of £7m per season?

Could we just not lower the prizes across the sliding scale to fund the difference? Should clubs finishing outside the top 4 really get prizes/finishing money? Do Widnes deserve anything this season for their contribution to SL?


http://www.totalrl.com/ins-outs-super-l ... w-tv-deal/
SL £146,760,000 - 80%
Champ £14,576,000 - 8%
C1 £1,822,000 - 1%
CC/Internationals £20,042,000 - 11%
+ an additional £17,800,000 during the course of the contract paid for coaching and the clubs’ charitable foundations
Re: New structure for 2019
Post Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:19 pm
Posted by Exiled down south on Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:19 pm
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More SL teams means less money for each of them. Absolutely no chance of them agreeing to that.


Not necessarily they could request that Toronto, Toulouse negotiate there own TV contract deals and sponsorship

London would be entitled to funding
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Post Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:22 pm
Posted by Someday on Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:22 pm
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Exiled down south wrote:
Not necessarily they could request that Toronto, Toulouse negotiate there own TV contract deals and sponsorship

London would be entitled to funding

That’s true then sky can let them have super league while sky get their matches
Re: New structure for 2019
Post Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:59 pm
Posted by Fully on Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:59 pm
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Mr Dog wrote:
http://www.totalrl.com/ins-outs-super-leagues-lucrative-new-tv-deal/
SL £146,760,000 - 80%
Champ £14,576,000 - 8%
C1 £1,822,000 - 1%
CC/Internationals £20,042,000 - 11%
+ an additional £17,800,000 during the course of the contract paid for coaching and the clubs’ charitable foundations


Yes, but as I've pointed £1.825m * 12 Super League clubs x 5 years = £109.5m, meaning a £37.26m gap from the £146m you've mentioned above.

That's £7.452m per season, which I assume is given in prize money for the LLS (£100,000) and Grand Final winners, along with prizes for final finishing positions. Still, I can't see how that would swallow up on average £621,000 per club per season.

Unless, as someone has pointed out, the RFL are taking a cut for the SL marketing and media (circa £4.5m per season)
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Re: New structure for 2019
Post Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:15 pm
Posted by Lebron James on Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:15 pm
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Everyone is ignoring the elephant in the room. There is absolutely zero chance the next sky deal will increase or even stay the same. We are a dying sport with zero appeal

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