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Re: SL1 + SL2
Post Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:15 pm
Posted by ColD on Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:15 pm
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The super 8s will be scrapped after this season,so the £1m game as we know it, will be gone.


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Re: SL1 + SL2
Post Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:16 pm
Posted by Cokey on Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:16 pm
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As we know it yes, but that's not the same as not having one is it


And are we having one?
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Re: SL1 + SL2
Post Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:37 pm
Posted by Levrier on Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:37 pm
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Have all the issues that the game had thàt necessitated the last change of structure all vanished or will we go back to the old structure in the hope of slowing the decline? I wonder about the place of Toronto and Toulouse in the new scheme of things.
Re: SL1 + SL2
Post Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:44 pm
Posted by Clearwing on Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:44 pm
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Re: SL1 + SL2
Post Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:50 pm
Posted by bramleyrhino on Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:50 pm
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Towns88 wrote:
I don't really understand why hetherington is so annoyed? Part of me thought that because it arguably negatively impacts fev that somewhere it indirectly hurts leeds ?


From the little that seems to be out there, I think the biggest issue is that whilst GH agrees with the need to grow the sport, he disagrees with the way to achieve that. Reports from one of the meetings suggests that GH doesn't believe that the format is the issue, but that the clubs are themselves using the format as an excuse for their poor commercial performance. I actually agree with him on that point.

However, GH was a strong proponent of this format and so I think it would be natural to be defensive about it. GH is also a big proponent of dual registration - another issue that seems to be under fire.

GH is also an RFL man. Whether you approve or disprove of it, he has always been close to the people at Red Hall.

But I also suspect that there is a bit of brinkmanship here. GH knows that the 'SL Eleven' are weaker without the support of arguably its biggest club, and undoubtedly its biggest market. Lenaghan's dream of mega sponsorship deals are going to be much harder to come by without the support of the game's commercially strongest club and only strong 'big city' market - and Rob Elstone is already on record effectively saying as such. It wouldn't be unlike GH to use that leverage to get the concessions that he wants.
I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls


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Re: SL1 + SL2
Post Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:36 pm
Posted by Ste100Centurions on Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:36 pm
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Wadski wrote:
Leigh v Fax - 3,891
Hudds v Salford - 4,385

So you are highlighting that Hudds v Salford attracted only 494 more spectators for an all Sooper Dooper League game !!!
I highlight that it suggests Hudds, Salford & Widnes are on the slippery slope to oblivion, no doubt their Chairmen have voted for a bigger slice of the pie & to cut tiers 1 & 2 adrift effectively closing the shop !
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Post Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:40 pm
Posted by Towns88 on Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:40 pm
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bramleyrhino wrote:
From the little that seems to be out there, I think the biggest issue is that whilst GH agrees with the need to grow the sport, he disagrees with the way to achieve that. Reports from one of the meetings suggests that GH doesn't believe that the format is the issue, but that the clubs are themselves using the format as an excuse for their poor commercial performance. I actually agree with him on that point.

However, GH was a strong proponent of this format and so I think it would be natural to be defensive about it. GH is also a big proponent of dual registration - another issue that seems to be under fire.

GH is also an RFL man. Whether you approve or disprove of it, he has always been close to the people at Red Hall.

But I also suspect that there is a bit of brinkmanship here. GH knows that the 'SL Eleven' are weaker without the support of arguably its biggest club, and undoubtedly its biggest market. Lenaghan's dream of mega sponsorship deals are going to be much harder to come by without the support of the game's commercially strongest club and only strong 'big city' market - and Rob Elstone is already on record effectively saying as such. It wouldn't be unlike GH to use that leverage to get the concessions that he wants.




Thank you for the insightful and detailed post. Duel reg needs major work if it's going to be fair and a success , I'm sure more sides will run a reserve grade comp asap. I'm sure there will be more changes to come.
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Re: SL1 + SL2
Post Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:58 pm
Posted by Ste100Centurions on Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:58 pm
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You could almost expect that the SL protectionists will cut central funding to Championship, League 1 & take all of the pie, then increase the Salary Cap so that no lower tier Club will ever be able to compete, it is a recipe for disaster & I am not at all surprised by the reaction so far from Championship Chairmen.

The old qualifying criteria for SL such as attendance, stadium standards, on field performance & sound business & financing will be set aside yet further still *it was never enforced anyway* & the likes of Giants, Salford Widnes & to a lesser extent Wakey will be encouraged to take & eat the pie without actually contributing to putting any pie on the table.

Catalans, Salford, Hudds, & Widnes are surely licking their collective lips that the scheming of Eric Pollard & his cohorts is successful.

I foresee a lot of damage will be done over the next few months.
Re: SL1 + SL2
Post Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:32 pm
Posted by majorhound on Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:32 pm
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Ste100Centurions wrote:
You could almost expect that the SL protectionists will cut central funding to Championship, League 1 & take all of the pie, then increase the Salary Cap so that no lower tier Club will ever be able to compete, it is a recipe for disaster & I am not at all surprised by the reaction so far from Championship Chairmen.

The old qualifying criteria for SL such as attendance, stadium standards, on field performance & sound business & financing will be set aside yet further still *it was never enforced anyway* & the likes of Giants, Salford Widnes & to a lesser extent Wakey will be encouraged to take & eat the pie without actually contributing to putting any pie on the table.

Catalans, Salford, Hudds, & Widnes are surely licking their collective lips that the scheming of Eric Pollard & his cohorts is successful.

I foresee a lot of damage will be done over the next few months.


As Mark Campbell says, the gap in class between the top Championship clubs and the bottom SL clubs has narrowed. Presumably the SL chairmen don't want this. They want to return where there is a vast chasm between the Championship and SL, as was beginning to open up under licencing.
Fev's first home game under the new regime was against newly relegated Bradford. They destroyed Fev. But later that season on the hottest day of the year Fev beat Bradford at Braford. An indication that Championship clubs ere improving. the fact that Leigh toppled Hull KR two years ago was another pointer. They are now taking action to put a stop to this phenomenon.
Re: SL1 + SL2
Post Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:41 pm
Posted by tad rhino on Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:41 pm
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I agree. looks like the sl clubs want a closed shop. the top of the tree is only as strong as its roots
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