Re: GAME ON : Widnes Vikings v St. Helens - 15:00:00 : Sat May 19, 2018 7:24 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Yes I,m quite surprised with "The Printer" usually a good poster but a bit off kilter these days.

Why? Because imo something was a foul and the referee agreed.

Re: GAME ON : Widnes Vikings v St. Helens - 15:00:00 : Sat May 19, 2018 7:29 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

And the feet first from Marsh during Morgan’s second try. Also thought there were Fozzard style high knees from Wellington before Whitley’s try too ...

I think as this thread is proving, Saints were never onto a winner on this one. I think the “I’m sick of talking about Ben Barba” from the commentary team summed it up.

Fozzard style forearm from LMS that went unpunished when he raised his arm/elbow and loved the young widnes kid, Watts got sent off last year for less against Wigan and it was that dirty barsteward MM whom most agreed deserved what he got for reckless coming in as he did.

Re: GAME ON : Widnes Vikings v St. Helens - 15:00:00 : Sat May 19, 2018 7:46 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Why? Because imo something was a foul and the referee agreed.

I,m talking about your general posts and not the one match incident today.

Re: GAME ON : Widnes Vikings v St. Helens - 15:00:00 : Sat May 19, 2018 7:56 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

I,m talking about your general posts and not the one match incident today.

What's the problem?

Re: GAME ON : Widnes Vikings v St. Helens - 15:00:00 : Sun May 20, 2018 6:02 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

And the feet first from Marsh during Morgan’s second try. Also thought there were Fozzard style high knees from Wellington before Whitley’s try too ...

I think as this thread is proving, Saints were never onto a winner on this one. I think the “I’m sick of talking about Ben Barba” from the commentary team summed it up.

Just watched the replay this afternoon the Marsh incident on Morgan should have been a penalty try. The right knee of Marsh goes straight into the neck and lower jaw of Morgan, hope the disciplinary pick it up, but it will probably end up as a caution.

Re: GAME ON : Widnes Vikings v St. Helens - 15:00:00 : Mon May 21, 2018 2:22 am  

Judder Man wrote:

Just watched the replay this afternoon the Marsh incident on Morgan should have been a penalty try. The right knee of Marsh goes straight into the neck and lower jaw of Morgan, hope the disciplinary pick it up, but it will probably end up as a caution.

So by your reasoning Sam Wilde should have also been given a penalty Try as he was tackled around the head by Barba in the act of going in for the try and would of scored if not for Barba taking his head off and using Wildes neck to turn him onto his back.
I also watched the replay and there was nothing in it from Marsh so stop trying to justify a terrible call from the video ref in favour of your team.

Re: GAME ON : Widnes Vikings v St. Helens - 15:00:00 : Mon May 21, 2018 9:48 am  

Brenio wrote:

So by your reasoning Sam Wilde should have also been given a penalty Try as he was tackled around the head by Barba in the act of going in for the try and would of scored if not for Barba taking his head off and using Wildes neck to turn him onto his back.
I also watched the replay and there was nothing in it from Marsh so stop trying to justify a terrible call from the video ref in favour of your team.

Conveniently ignored by all barring one or two of us neutrals, thought that was a shocking decision, not mentioned by anyone in the commentary, no mention by the officials.
We talk about player welfare and head high tackles yet the tackling round the neck in the game is getting more prevalent, it's worse than a single punch IMHO (which more often misses the target), that Goodwin one last week in the CC was despicable, comes around the back of the player, grabs him around the neck and then throws him to the ground by the neck, could have damaged his spine so easily and the ref did absolutely nothing and the spineless disciplinary saw nothing wrong in it. I used to love (legally) hurting my opponent in the tackle BITD but the way the game has gone with the upper body grabbing and using necks as a lever it's sickening.

For the most part up top tackling doesn't even stop the offload which is why tackling in the traditional manner was supposedly moved away from, yet in actual fact it's still proven to be more effective at stopping/reducing the chances of an offload AND importantly not allowing a forward particularly to keep driving another 5-10m with players hanging on. It's hilarious (not) to watch a big guy keep making metres until someone actually tackles him around the legs, 4 players to do what one-two could have done and still the ball is often offloaded leaving defences 2-3 players short.

Anyway, in short, Widnes got f####d over.

Re: GAME ON : Widnes Vikings v St. Helens - 15:00:00 : Mon May 21, 2018 9:51 am  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

Conveniently ignored by all barring one or two of us neutrals, thought that was a shocking decision, not mentioned by anyone in the commentary, no mention by the officials.
We talk about player welfare and head high tackles yet the tackling round the neck in the game is getting more prevalent, it's worse than a single punch IMHO (which more often misses the target), that Goodwin one last week in the CC was despicable, comes around the back of the player, grabs him around the neck and then throws him to the ground by the neck, could have damaged his spine so easily and the ref did absolutely nothing and the spineless disciplinary saw nothing wrong in it. I used to love (legally) hurting my opponent in the tackle BITD but the way the game has gone with the upper body grabbing and using necks as a lever it's sickening.

For the most part up top tackling doesn't even stop the offload which is why tackling in the traditional manner was supposedly moved away from, yet in actual fact it's still proven to be more effective at stopping/reducing the chances of an offload AND importantly not allowing a forward particularly to keep driving another 5-10m with players hanging on. It's hilarious (not) to watch a big guy keep making metres until someone actually tackles him around the legs, 4 players to do what one-two could have done and still the ball is often offloaded leaving defences 2-3 players short.

Anyway, in short, Widnes got f####d over.

Goodwin did nothing of the sort, you are blatantly fabricating in your own head.

Re: GAME ON : Widnes Vikings v St. Helens - 15:00:00 : Mon May 21, 2018 10:08 am  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

Conveniently ignored by all barring one or two of us neutrals, thought that was a shocking decision, not mentioned by anyone in the commentary, no mention by the officials.
We talk about player welfare and head high tackles yet the tackling round the neck in the game is getting more prevalent, it's worse than a single punch IMHO (which more often misses the target), that Goodwin one last week in the CC was despicable, comes around the back of the player, grabs him around the neck and then throws him to the ground by the neck, could have damaged his spine so easily and the ref did absolutely nothing and the spineless disciplinary saw nothing wrong in it. I used to love (legally) hurting my opponent in the tackle BITD but the way the game has gone with the upper body grabbing and using necks as a lever it's sickening.

For the most part up top tackling doesn't even stop the offload which is why tackling in the traditional manner was supposedly moved away from, yet in actual fact it's still proven to be more effective at stopping/reducing the chances of an offload AND importantly not allowing a forward particularly to keep driving another 5-10m with players hanging on. It's hilarious (not) to watch a big guy keep making metres until someone actually tackles him around the legs, 4 players to do what one-two could have done and still the ball is often offloaded leaving defences 2-3 players short.

Anyway, in short, Widnes got f####d over.

He hits him round the shoulder, never a penalty.

Re: GAME ON : Widnes Vikings v St. Helens - 15:00:00 : Mon May 21, 2018 10:19 am  

Brenio wrote:

So by your reasoning Sam Wilde should have also been given a penalty Try as he was tackled around the head by Barba in the act of going in for the try and would of scored if not for Barba taking his head off and using Wildes neck to turn him onto his back.
I also watched the replay and there was nothing in it from Marsh so stop trying to justify a terrible call from the video ref in favour of your team.

Well no, watch the replay again first point of contact was NOT head or neck, yes there was some leverage involved in getting him on his back. But surely Barba’s priority was to stop the ball from being grounded, I don’t think for a second his priority or intention was to strangle or rip someone’s head off.
If you think the tackle was illegal or dangerous then this will be picked up by the disciplinary today.