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Post Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:38 pm
Posted by headhunter on Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:38 pm
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Do HeadHunter and BrisbaneRhino actually understand what "being considered" means?

Doesn't mean give him the job, and yes if there are 2/3 people with no RL experience but vastly more experienced in this role then give them the job because they'll know things Sinfield won't.....But he'll have ideas/criticisms/plans as a past player that none of them could offer or never think of given no past history in the sport.

So when someone says "considered"..,,,learn what considered mean.....doesn't mean given the job.
No, it means he's being considered for the job, which Sinfield shouldn't because he doesn't have anywhere near the credentials. If he goes away and holds high-profile administrative roles in other major sporting bodies and organizations, and is successful in those roles over a number of years, or if he spends a few decades working his way up the ranks in the RFL, gaining understanding of how the organization works and demonstrating the required ability to move things forward in increasingly demanding and high-profile roles, then yes we can consider him for the job. The reason you want him to be considered right now is because you think he was a good player, which is TBH idiotic.
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Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.
Re: Woods has gone - Happy Xmas
Post Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:05 am
Posted by Call Me God on Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:05 am
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I'll hang off digging out the party poppers...

...god help the bloke who has to dig his grave :shock:
JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:
Re: Woods has gone - Happy Xmas
Post Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:15 am
Posted by PrinterThe on Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:15 am
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headhunter wrote:
No, it means he's being considered for the job, which Sinfield shouldn't because he doesn't have anywhere near the credentials. If he goes away and holds high-profile administrative roles in other major sporting bodies and organizations, and is successful in those roles over a number of years, or if he spends a few decades working his way up the ranks in the RFL, gaining understanding of how the organization works and demonstrating the required ability to move things forward in increasingly demanding and high-profile roles, then yes we can consider him for the job. The reason you want him to be considered right now is because you think he was a good player, which is TBH idiotic.


No what's happened is you didn't have a clue that he spent several years working towards a sports administration role and dismissed him as just a player and won't admit your mistake.

Whilst his lack of experience in an administrative role would likely see him not the right person for the role.....you thinking he should be ignored completely ignoring his knowledge of the sport which would almost certainly supersede most of all other candidates......that's idiotic.
Re: Woods has gone - Happy Xmas
Post Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:18 am
Posted by Call Me God on Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:18 am
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headhunter wrote:
No, it means he's being considered for the job, which Sinfield shouldn't because he doesn't have anywhere near the credentials. If he goes away and holds high-profile administrative roles in other major sporting bodies and organizations, and is successful in those roles over a number of years, or if he spends a few decades working his way up the ranks in the RFL, gaining understanding of how the organization works and demonstrating the required ability to move things forward in increasingly demanding and high-profile roles, then yes we can consider him for the job. The reason you want him to be considered right now is because you think he was a good player, which is TBH idiotic.


At the risk of "my agenda" being cited again, Bill Beaumont is now the head of World Rugby.....I suspect that his running the family business in Lancashire had as much to do with his being selected to represent the RFU at the IRB, then become manager of the B&I Lions, before being elected as Chairma of the RFU before eventually becoming the Chairman of the entire sport...as his prowess (SIC) on the field.

Sinfield needs to work his way up the ranks before even being considered......it took Beaumont 30 years from retirement to the head of the RFU.
JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:
Re: Woods has gone - Happy Xmas
Post Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:27 am
Posted by headhunter on Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:27 am
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No what's happened is you didn't have a clue that he spent several years working towards a sports administration role and dismissed him as just a player and won't admit your mistake.

Whilst his lack of experience in an administrative role would likely see him not the right person for the role.....you thinking he should be ignored completely ignoring his knowledge of the sport which would almost certainly supersede most of all other candidates......that's idiotic.
No, once again, I didn't care that he is one of thousands of people who have spent years working towards a sports administration role, and I still don't. You repeatedly presenting this information is not some sort of revelation. What is happening here is you seem to be suggesting that because he's Kevin Sinfield that makes him more qualified than some random 24 year old who has the same uni degree, which again is a pretty bizarre assertion. His "knowledge of the sport" as a player is utterly irrelevant to his ability to succeed in an administrative/CEO role.

If I told you that Chris Bridge had the same uni qualification as Sinfield, would you be suggesting him to be considered as the next CEO of the RFL? No, of course you wouldn't. The reason you are advocating Sinfield is because you like him as a player and can't separate his on-field attributes from those off it.
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Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.
Re: Woods has gone - Happy Xmas
Post Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:00 am
Posted by PrinterThe on Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:00 am
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No, once again, I didn't care that he is one of thousands of people who have spent years working towards a sports administration role, and I still don't. You repeatedly presenting this information is not some sort of revelation. What is happening here is you seem to be suggesting that because he's Kevin Sinfield that makes him more qualified than some random 24 year old who has the same uni degree, which again is a pretty bizarre assertion. His "knowledge of the sport" as a player is utterly irrelevant to his ability to succeed in an administrative/CEO role.

If I told you that Chris Bridge had the same uni qualification as Sinfield, would you be suggesting him to be considered as the next CEO of the RFL? No, of course you wouldn't. The reason you are advocating Sinfield is because you like him as a player and can't separate his on-field attributes from those off it.


If Chris Bridge has the same qualification as Sinfield then yes he should be considered too....I'm not stubborn enough like you to admit I didn't know that about Bridge.

You should interview as many people as possible from a wide a range as possible. Interviewing the same type of person with the same background you'll only learn so much. Sinfield (or Bridge) may not be ready for the role now but the RFL would be better for hearing a different viewpoint and those candidates would be both better for the experience if they were to come back again in 5/10/15 years time.....there's no limit to how many people we should speak to and interview about how the sport should go ahead even if you think it should be only one certain type of person.

If we can't even be bothered to listen to the people who played this sport then we're a poorer sport for it.
Re: Woods has gone - Happy Xmas
Post Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:32 am
Posted by hull smallears on Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:32 am
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IMO the sport needs a massive shake up, and certainly someone who knows how to run a business should be in prime position. I would then have an assistant, or a few assistants with sports related acumen. I think that knowledge of RL should be a consultant role, rather than a key skill pertaining to a prime role. Like I said, a shake up is required.

It's all a moot point though as he ain't gone anywhere................
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Re: Woods has gone - Happy Xmas
Post Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:00 pm
Posted by Exiled down south on Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:00 pm
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You should interview as many people as possible from a wide a range as possible. Interviewing the same type of person with the same background you'll only learn so much. Sinfield (or Bridge) may not be ready for the role now but the RFL would be better for hearing a different viewpoint and those candidates would be both better for the experience if they were to come back again in 5/10/15 years time.....there's no limit to how many people we should speak to and interview about how the sport should go ahead even if you think it should be only one certain type of person.

If we can't even be bothered to listen to the people who played this sport then we're a poorer sport for it.


Do you interview people for your vacancies in your business line who should be considered, but not suitable so you can hear differing views on how to run your business better

What a load of nonsense. If Sinfields CV came in with no name on it, it would go straight in the bin, with similar CV without the necessary competence
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Re: Woods has gone - Happy Xmas
Post Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:32 pm
Posted by Psychedelic Casual on Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:32 pm
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Here`s a summary of all Wood`s "Achievements" in his 11 years in his role..

- Reduction of 38% in Sport England grant funding
- A decline in the standard of match officials
- A general decline in the standard of Super league
- The decline of reserve teams within SL / champ clubs.
- The national side has failed to beat Australia under Nigel Wood.
- Bradford bulls entering administration on numerous times after a number of owners was accepted by the RFL.
- A Decline in media coverage.
- The Loss of top English players to NRL and RFU due to salary cap restrictions.
- 2012 ridiculous Stobart sponsorship deal
- 2013 SL starts with no Sponsor
- Significant cuts in junior development funding
- 4 officials resign due to official complaints been "Brushed under the carpet"
- Accepting the first offer put on the table by sky 200m for 5 seasons.

Here is an interesting one -

Charging fans to stream Englands ONLY warm up match before the world cup and turning down the exposure to 1 million plus viewers on BBC who had only reportedly offered 10k as they was only given 6 weeks notice !!! The RFL then refused to release any figures on how many paid for the stream.

Average SL attendance
2007 - 9,855
2016 - ‎9,134

Challenge cup final attendance
2007 - 84,241
2016 - 76,235

Salary cap (Super League)
2007 - £1.6m
2016 - £1.85m

Player Participation
2007 - 131,900
2017 - 44,900

In fact he did such a great job, somewhere in between Aug 2013 and Jan 2017 he got a 110k P/A wage increase from 204k to 314k.

Says it all.

Who will replace him and where are we going long term and short term?

Can we have more open information provided to us fans by the organisation for their plans?
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Re: Woods has gone - Happy Xmas
Post Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:35 pm
Posted by Psychedelic Casual on Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:35 pm
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Roy Haggerty wrote:
Under Lewis, the game really progressed, with a forward vision, professional set-up and decent sponsors.

Barwick has been a waste of a seat.

Nigel Wood has been too erratic. He's clearly tried his best, but ultimately he's been hamstrung by an unwillingness to challenge a small group of top championship/bottom super league clubs whose interests are contrary to the interests of the game as a whole. As a result, far too much of his focus has been on what's come to be known as the Middle 8s, and not enough on the whole sport and its shop window in SL.

As a sport we have strived to grow from the middle out rather from the top down and we have hindered the sport greatly.

What business model has ever succeeded like that?
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