WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - England team. What next?

Board index Welcome to RLFANS The Virtual Terrace England team. What next?

Re: England team. What next?
Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:38 pm
Posted by Wilde 3 on Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:38 pm
Wilde 3 User avatar
Silver RLFANS Member
Silver RLFANS Member

Reputation Points: 4
Rep Position: 28th / 76,624

Quiz Score: 908

Joined: Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:14 am
Posts: 5816
Lomax is not up to it at International level, Eden also isn't International class. The players that need to be looked at for England are Jack Walker, Tom Johnstone, Dom Manfredi, Gildart, Sutcliffe, Shaul, Sneyd, Ward, Savelio (if he improves in the NRL), Watts.

There is some good talent there that needs to be looked at
Re: England team. What next?
Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:40 pm
Posted by Bullseye on Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:40 pm
Bullseye User avatar
100% League Network
100% League Network

Reputation Points: 28
Rep Position: 6th / 76,624

Quiz Score: 748

Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2001 12:04 pm
Posts: 27931
Location: The Corridor of Uncertainty
Grimmy wrote:
I wouldn't have Hardaker for England now. We need committed players, he's had too many chances.

Lots of rebuilding to be done between now and the next world cup. I reckon:

OUT IN

1 Widdop - Lomax
2 McGillvary - Manfredi
3 Watkins
4 Bateman - Percival
5 Hall - Eden
6 Brown - Williams
7 Gale - Sneyd
8 Graham - Walmsley
9 Hodgson
10 Hill - S.Burgess
11 Whitehead - Currie
12 S.Burgess - Bateman
13 O'Loughlin - Ward

14 T.Burgess
15 Roby - Clark
16 Walmsley - Taylor
17 Heighington - Farrell

Mind, that would still probably be a bit of a dad's army by 2021. It will be interesting to see who comes through to replace our outgoing top players.


Jack Walker, Danny Richardson, Jake Trueman, Mikolaj Oledzki, James Bentley, Kruise Leeming all have potential from what I've seen.
"If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them," - Wayne Bennett.
Re: England team. What next?
Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:22 pm
Posted by Egg Banjo on Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:22 pm
Egg Banjo User avatar
Cheeky half-back
Cheeky half-back

Reputation Points: 6
Rep Position: 26th / 76,624

Quiz Score: 12

Joined: Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:32 pm
Posts: 684
Id like to see wholesale changes to both coaching and playing staff. Give the head coach spot to McDermott and have Powell, Radford, and Chester as assistants. Totally strip the current squad apart and start again. Pick young upcoming talents (under 23) and have a large squad. Spend the next 4 years building and developing this new squad, getting them fully prepared for the next world cup and the one beyond that. International rugby needs to become the pinnacle of our sport, the current setup is too short-termist
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Re: England team. What next?
Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:00 pm
Posted by Muggins on Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:00 pm
Muggins User avatar
Eddie Hemmings's Wig
Eddie Hemmings's Wig

Reputation Points: 7
Rep Position: 25th / 76,624

Quiz Score: 56

Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:14 pm
Posts: 180
Roy Haggerty wrote:
We don't need to revert. The Aussies and Kiwis don't play as "Pacific Islands" or "Australasia", just because players from Tonga, Samoa and Fiji play for them occasionally.

If any of the Celtic squad showed sufficient form and also wanted to play for England, I'd have no problem with them changing shirt for the next world cup.


Oh, ok. What's the point in the Great Britain tour then? It's just a name change for no reason. :?
Re: England team. What next?
Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:12 pm
Posted by CM Punk on Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:12 pm
CM Punk User avatar
Silver RLFANS Member
Silver RLFANS Member

Reputation Points: 1
Rep Position: 31st / 76,624

Quiz Score: 140

Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:36 pm
Posts: 6923
Location: The Midlands
Wilde 3 wrote:
The players that need to be looked at for England are Dom Manfredi,


He's not played in over a year after Rangi Chase destroyed his knee & there's rumours he could have to retire.



Tom Davies though, he's got the potential IMO.
Wigan RLFC
Re: England team. What next?
Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:04 pm
Posted by NickyKiss on Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:04 pm
NickyKiss User avatar
Gold RLFANS Member
Gold RLFANS Member

Reputation Points: 23
Rep Position: 10th / 76,624

Quiz Score: 4

Joined: Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:38 am
Posts: 21566
Location: WIGAN
Grimmy wrote:
I wouldn't have Hardaker for England now. We need committed players, he's had too many chances.

Lots of rebuilding to be done between now and the next world cup. I reckon:

OUT IN

1 Widdop - Lomax
2 McGillvary - Manfredi
3 Watkins
4 Bateman - Percival
5 Hall - Eden
6 Brown - Williams
7 Gale - Sneyd
8 Graham - Walmsley
9 Hodgson
10 Hill - S.Burgess
11 Whitehead - Currie
12 S.Burgess - Bateman
13 O'Loughlin - Ward

14 T.Burgess
15 Roby - Clark
16 Walmsley - Taylor
17 Heighington - Farrell

Mind, that would still probably be a bit of a dad's army by 2021. It will be interesting to see who comes through to replace our outgoing top players.


It's impossible to say what'll happen in four years time or who will have come through but they will need to look at the process from next year onwards. The one thing we can't afford is to lose all of our momentum from this World Cup by the likes of Graham, Roby, Lockers, Hall etc all calling it quits in one go.

I think the time is right for O'Loughlin to give it up but I really hope Graham, Roby and Hall keep going for a while yet. I'm not sure Hall will see the next World Cup as pace is so important out on the wing and he is lacking half a yard nowadays but I'd give Roby and Graham half a shot. They'd both have just turned 36 and they only need to look at guys like Jamie Peacock and now Paul Gallen to see that you can still make a real impact at that age. Either way we need them for a couple of years yet.

As for the future new lads will emerge. We need guys like Bateman, Currie, Walmsley and Whitehead to step up their influence as the years go by and help ease us through the period when the end comes for Graham, Lockers and co. It'll be interesting to see how promising young players like Jack Walker, Oliver Gildart, Tom Davies, Tom Johnstone, Danny Walker, Luke Thompson, Stevie Ward etc can develop.

All in all I think we're in a good spot.
Re: England team. What next?
Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:11 pm
Posted by NickyKiss on Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:11 pm
NickyKiss User avatar
Gold RLFANS Member
Gold RLFANS Member

Reputation Points: 23
Rep Position: 10th / 76,624

Quiz Score: 4

Joined: Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:38 am
Posts: 21566
Location: WIGAN
Wilde 3 wrote:
Lomax is not up to it at International level, Eden also isn't International class. The players that need to be looked at for England are Jack Walker, Tom Johnstone, Dom Manfredi, Gildart, Sutcliffe, Shaul, Sneyd, Ward, Savelio (if he improves in the NRL), Watts.

There is some good talent there that needs to be looked at


It's a crying shame the struggles Dom Manfredi is going through. He could've pressed Hall very hard for his spot had it not been for the terrible injury problems he's suffered. He has that size and strength needed for internationals but is quicker then either of our current wingers. It's ironic really that without his injury in 2016, we may not have seen McGillvary in an England shirt. I'm pretty sure he'd have started last years Four Nations ahead of him in the pecking order after his extraordinary form up until his injury.

As things stand him ever playing the game again would be a triumph so to see him get back to that level may be a bridge too far.
Re: England team. What next?
Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:26 pm
Posted by Roy Haggerty on Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:26 pm
Roy Haggerty User avatar
Silver RLFANS Member
Silver RLFANS Member

Reputation Points: 17
Rep Position: 15th / 76,624

Quiz Score: 0

Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2001 12:04 pm
Posts: 5383
Location: London
Muggins wrote:
Oh, ok. What's the point in the Great Britain tour then? It's just a name change for no reason. :?


Seems to be. I wouldn't ascribe to much logic or deep thought to the RFL's decisions.

Seriously, can you think of any of the Celtic players who would get into a first choice 17 over the English players?
Image

"...the biggest boor, the most opinionated pompous bigot that frequents these
boards and he is NOT to be taken at all seriously. "
Re: England team. What next?
Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:56 pm
Posted by SecondRowSaint on Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:56 pm
SecondRowSaint User avatar
Cheeky half-back
Cheeky half-back

Reputation Points: 1
Rep Position: 31st / 76,624

Quiz Score: 516

Joined: Sat May 28, 2011 2:39 pm
Posts: 683
One player that seems to have gone under the radar is Joe Greenwood. I think he'll be thereabouts in the next few seasons.
Rugby is like a hard game of chess!
Re: England team. What next?
Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:20 pm
Posted by Muggins on Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:20 pm
Muggins User avatar
Eddie Hemmings's Wig
Eddie Hemmings's Wig

Reputation Points: 7
Rep Position: 25th / 76,624

Quiz Score: 56

Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:14 pm
Posts: 180
Roy Haggerty wrote:
Seems to be. I wouldn't ascribe to much logic or deep thought to the RFL's decisions.

Seriously, can you think of any of the Celtic players who would get into a first choice 17 over the English players?


No, I can't. But I assumed that the decision to play as Great Britain was in order to create the possibility of that happening. If, as you say, we can basically do the same as England cricket and include those players anyway, there's not really any need to not play as England.

It seems like muddled thinking to bring GB back for one year and then have them disappear again for who knows how long.
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: luke ShipleyRed, TrinityDave and 86 guests

Quick Reply

Subject: Message:
   

Return to The Virtual Terrace


POSTSONLINEMEMBERSRECORDYOUR TEAM
4,692,66969476,6244,559SET
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.
Thu 1st Mar 19:45
SUPER LEAGUE
HULL KR
v
CASTLEFORD
Fri 2nd Mar 19:45
SUPER LEAGUE
WAKEFIELD
v
HUDDERSFIELD
Fri 2nd Mar 20:00
SUPER LEAGUE
HULL FC
v
WARRINGTON
Fri 2nd Mar 20:00
SUPER LEAGUE
LEEDS RHINOS
v
CATALAN DRAGONS
Fri 2nd Mar 20:00
SUPER LEAGUE
ST. HELENS
v
SALFORD
Fri 2nd Mar 20:00
SUPER LEAGUE
WIGAN WARRIORS
v
WIDNES VIKINGS
Sat 3rd Mar 16:00
 CHAMPIONSHIP
TOULOUSE
v
ROCHDALE
Sun 4th Mar 15:00
 CHAMPIONSHIP
BARROW RAIDERS
v
DEWSBURY RAMS
Sun 4th Mar 15:00
 CHAMPIONSHIP
BATLEY BULLDOGS
v
HALIFAX
Sun 4th Mar 15:00
 CHAMPIONSHIP
LEIGH
v
FEATHERSTONE
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM







2