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Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:38 am
Posted by NickyKiss on Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:38 am
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A-I think it's time for Lockers to call it quits. He's been sensational for England and GB over the years but his body needs off seasons if he carrying on at club level. It will surely be the end of the line for Heighington as well (who was very good in the final to be fair) and I think Kev Brown has plugged a gap in this comp but I don't see him in the side long term.

B-I'm glad non Wigan fans are calling for Tomkins to come back in. I really hope he plays six for us next year and he can nail that spot for England with Widdop staying at fullback. After that Gildart was brilliant last year and is the country's best hope for a left centre. He has sensational footwork. The other three players I'd seriously look at if there were a game next week would be Stevie Ward (to replace Lockers), Liam Watts and Marc Sneyd. A bit further back I can't wait to see Jack Walker, Danny Walker and Tom Davies progress. They all looked superb in their first years.

C-Sweeping changes aren't needed. I've said at the top there are three players who will or should probably be moved on. We need to replace them and do nothing more then a bit of tinkering.

D-Widdop and Watkins had flattered to deceive for England so far but they were both brilliant. Obviously McGillvary was amazing as well but that didn't surprise me quite as much. I don't want to talk about poor players. They all gave it everything.

E-Similar to this tournament with us replacing Lockers, Brown and Heighington.
Re: England team. What next?
Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:42 am
Posted by oooh Gravy! on Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:42 am
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nottinghamtiger wrote:
We are not lacking a left centre.
One with 19 try assists (more than most half backs) and 6 tries wasn’t selected in the squad.
One with 16 tries and 13 try assists watched from the sidelines.
Meanwhile, a player who hasn’t even played at centre for his club (even though they had an injury crisis in that position) was selected in that position.
The issue isn’t the lack of a left centre. The issue is a crap selection decision.



Can't argue with that. And it's not a one off, we've shoehorned players in for years and can't think of an example where it's been justified on the pitch, and that's not slating Bateman, he tried hard he's just not a centre.
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Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:46 am
Posted by nottinghamtiger on Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:46 am
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Can't argue with that. And it's not a one off, we've shoehorned players in for years and can't think of an example where it's been justified on the pitch, and that's not slating Bateman, he tried hard he's just not a centre.


Yes, Bateman has just done as he has been asked. However, he’s not even the best left centre at Wigan (Gildart).
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Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:06 am
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Before the tournament I was hoping he wasn't going to pick Tomkins at FB and move Hardaker to centre. But once the latter was ruled out he really should've picked Tomkins in his squad. Lomax ended the season injured and carried that on through the tournament.

O'Loughlin has been a very good player for England but at 35 it's time to hang up his international boots.

Interesting one is Roby, one of the older ones at 32 he probably won't make the next WC but if he carries on his form next year do you still pick him or go for younger options? I suppose that depends how well other guys push for that spot, Daryl Clark for one has gone backwards but better things are tipped for Wire this year.
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Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:16 am
Posted by Ovavoo on Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:16 am
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nottinghamtiger wrote:
We are not lacking a left centre.
One with 19 try assists (more than most half backs) and 6 tries wasn’t selected in the squad.
One with 16 tries and 13 try assists watched from the sidelines.
Meanwhile, a player who hasn’t even played at centre for his club (even though they had an injury crisis in that position) was selected in that position.
The issue isn’t the lack of a left centre. The issue is a crap selection decision.


Do you think Shenton, or even Percival would have won the game for us?
One thing about Bateman and Hall as a centre partnership is that they were rock solid defensively.
Not too sure things would have been the same had Bennett gone with either of the other two.
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Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:30 am
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nottinghamtiger wrote:
We are not lacking a left centre.
One with 19 try assists (more than most half backs) and 6 tries wasn’t selected in the squad.
One with 16 tries and 13 try assists watched from the sidelines.
Meanwhile, a player who hasn’t even played at centre for his club (even though they had an injury crisis in that position) was selected in that position.
The issue isn’t the lack of a left centre. The issue is a crap selection decision.


This. I dont believe for one minute Percival would have done any worse. A traffic cone would have contributed more in attack than Bateman did.

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Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:33 am
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Ovavoo wrote:
Do you think Shenton, or even Percival would have won the game for us?
One thing about Bateman and Hall as a centre partnership is that they were rock solid defensively.
Not too sure things would have been the same had Bennett gone with either of the other two.


Whilst Bateman is a good defender, he did at times look like a guy defending out of position and wider out than he's used to.

Also from the opposition POV how easy would they have found it defending against our left side when everybody knew Bateman doesn't pass to his winger. A centre who has the potential to pass and create for his winger would've put more doubt into Aussie defenders minds.
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Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:41 am
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Before the tournament I was hoping he wasn't going to pick Tomkins at FB and move Hardaker to centre. But once the latter was ruled out he really should've picked Tomkins in his squad. Lomax ended the season injured and carried that on through the tournament.

O'Loughlin has been a very good player for England but at 35 it's time to hang up his international boots.

Interesting one is Roby, one of the older ones at 32 he probably won't make the next WC but if he carries on his form next year do you still pick him or go for younger options? I suppose that depends how well other guys push for that spot, Daryl Clark for one has gone backwards but better things are tipped for Wire this year.


Shaul should have been taken over lomax, he was in form, fit and deserved at least to be in the squad. I think a few other players, in other positions could make a case too I.e. Sneyd, McGuire, Ward
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Samuel Tomkins my be playing in the halves at Wigan in 2018, because French star Morgan Escare my get the Wigan full back jersey. So Samuel may not even be considered for the Great Britain full back role.
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Re: England team. What next?
Post Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:46 am
Posted by nottinghamtiger on Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:46 am
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Ovavoo wrote:
Do you think Shenton, or even Percival would have won the game for us?
One thing about Bateman and Hall as a centre partnership is that they were rock solid defensively.
Not too sure things would have been the same had Bennett gone with either of the other two.


Shenton missed less tackles per game than Bateman in 2017 and he had the disadvantage of defending inside Greg Eden.
He’s always been known as a defensive centre and his attacking game has only really come on in the last couple of years under Powell.
As someone who watches him regularly, I think he’s the key to Cas’ successful left edge. The lines he runs stand defenders up and get them biting on the inside, giving the opportunity for the link between the half back, full back and winger that has proven so successful for Castleford.
With Shenton at centre, I don’t think we would have lost anything defensively and we would have gained more attacking threat.
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