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Re: "loose carry" : Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:10 am  
when you look at every game played not just the world cup ever game in super league and all leagues their is all ways something that you do not think is right but that's the way the games are played
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Re: "loose carry" : Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:41 am  
Superb last gasp tackle by Whitehead. He saved our bacon that's for sure. Shame about the whining afterwards from some Tongan supporters but I expect if the boot had been on the other foot it would've been the same reaction.
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Re: "loose carry" : Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:00 pm  
It was never a try. I don't think anyone would be talking about it, had it happened in another game, or even earlier in this one. People just love a bit of controversy.
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Re: "loose carry" : Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:52 pm  
Key question to always ask in these situations is what decision would be made if it were anywhere else on the field, and that to me is loose carry, knock on.
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Re: "loose carry" : Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:24 pm  
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Superb last gasp tackle by Whitehead. He saved our bacon that's for sure. Shame about the whining afterwards from some Tongan supporters but I expect if the boot had been on the other foot it would've been the same reaction.

Some? Have you seen the comments on YT, there's apparently a petition with allegedly 50,000 signatures to it calling for the game to be replayed/ref to be hung drawn and 1/4'd, video ref to look at it etc.
Pretty much every man, woman and child from Tonga/Pacific island nations is calling the ref bent, the game is bent, white mans rules and so on.
I don't agree, the reaction if we'd lost it in the dying seconds like that would be nowhere near that of the tongan's or other countries 'fans' sticking their oar in.
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Re: "loose carry" : Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:28 pm  
Don't read YT or Facebook comments sections is a good rule to live by.
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Re: "loose carry" : Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:16 pm  
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Don't read YT or Facebook comments sections is a good rule to live by.

I was watching the highlights package after watching the game live (on tv), I just read the top comments and it was incredible what was being said, how vociferous, how nonobjective and how numerous which was what my point was in response to the previous poster
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Re: "loose carry" : Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:48 am  
I think the commentators were very unfair on the ref too. Had he had the slightest doubt he would have gone to the VR. He had a perfect side on view, and saw what the cameras did, that Fifita was guilty of a loose carry and Whitehead's tackle made him drop it. They complain about refs using the VR too much, then when he makes the call they whinge, mainly because it didn't go the way they wanted it too.

I really don't buy the whole Tonga being better/more deserving stuff. That last 5 minutes or so was as much down to England clocking off and then panicking as through anything Tonga did. Whilst Australia are likely to beat england, I think they'd put a bigger score on Tonga by moving their big forwards around far more than England did.
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Re: "loose carry" : Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:52 am  
I'm actually hoping all this negative stuff works in Englands favour. Nobody likes being told they don't deserve to be where they are especially if they think they do. The one thing that always brings the best out of the British is backs against the wall so long as it's heartfelt and for real. It's not even a cliche I've seen it myself time and time again.

England can feed off that as a goal that truly unites them. If there is one way to prove your worth then giving your very best in a final has to be it.

It probably won't be enough to win but it might be enough to bring a bit of real passion back into the interaction alone game.

Finally I'm not a huge fan of 'the biff' but I'd make an exception this week. If I were to see that level of commitment return I may start wearing my England shirt again. I'm not being daft either, the Aussies have never responded well when teams get into them. They have gotten used to being respected with teams holding off allowing them to show off. You disrupt that sense of entitlement they have and they will lose composure and that's half the battle.

They won't look like supermen when they are being legally carried off by the bucket load. I exaggerate but you get the idea.

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It might just work with a big dollop of luck ;-)
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Re: "loose carry" : Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:19 am  
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Finally I'm not a huge fan of 'the biff' but I'd make an exception this week.


He might get knocked for being on the starting team-sheet but Batemans about the only one who's got it in him, ain't he?
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