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Re: Can England beat Tonga? : Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:54 am  
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. Can you honestly imagine any of the other quarter-finalists being beaten by PNG except possibly Lebanon?


Yes, Samoa for starters. Samoa could only draw with a weakened Scottish team.
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Re: Can England beat Tonga? : Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:37 am  
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England are not great at hanging on to the ball.
When those PNG missiles come flying in I think England will need to play at their top level to hang on, they have little of anything in attack beyond the Wingers, and they have to see the ball before they can do anything.
PNG have pace and power all over the Park.
They are a lot better than they were in 2008 where they gave England a scare, if the game was played in Moresby my money would have been on PNG

Really? Ireland should have beaten them there and England are a far better team than them. PNG have come along nicely but England should be a step too far even if they played at home, plus England are a better team than they were in 2008.
Like others have said and I agree with, they make far too many errors and can be indisciplined. So for me England will capitalise on those, like an experienced full time Pro outfit should do. With Sam back and no constantly switching of combinations like in the last game, especially the spine of the team, I think we'll really step up at this stage of the comp and have a goood game.
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Re: Can England beat Tonga? : Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:07 pm  
GB/England have always made beating 'lesser' teams hard work. Why I don't know. However they are infinitely superior in every facet of the game than PNG. As I say they will make hard work of it but they will do it easily in the end.

Tonga are a much harder proposition but true to the British nature the more they look like the possible underdog the better they will play. I think they will be pumped to play Tonga purely because they will be written off in some quarters.

That said I don't really care how pedestrian England are until the final, just grind out the wins if they can. England only need one maybe two good games and they are word champions.

My team Ireland did great, how can you win two and not get through - gutted!
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Re: Can England beat Tonga? : Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:12 pm  
If England lose in the SF to Tonga then I'm giving up watching RL forever. We've lost three SF's to NZ but this time have managed to avoid having to play them in a SF in their own back yard. If we screw up against Tonga and don't get to the final, I'm done with it all!
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Re: Can England beat Tonga? : Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:15 pm  
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GB/England have always made beating 'lesser' teams hard work. Why I don't know.


Part England's doing and I'd suggest part because lesser teams see England as their best chance to beat one of the big 3 so go in with a different confidence than against Australia for example.
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Re: Can England beat Tonga? : Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:13 pm  
Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:
Yes but it’ll certainly be a challenge.

Can New Zealand beat Australia? I’d love it if the Aussies didn’t make the final.

That’s what I was thinking!
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Re: Can England beat Tonga? : Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:14 pm  
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Really? Ireland should have beaten them there and England are a far better team than them. PNG have come along nicely but England should be a step too far even if they played at home, plus England are a better team than they were in 2008.
Like others have said and I agree with, they make far too many errors and can be indisciplined. So for me England will capitalise on those, like an experienced full time Pro outfit should do. With Sam back and no constantly switching of combinations like in the last game, especially the spine of the team, I think we'll really step up at this stage of the comp and have a goood game.

Let’s hope so!
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Re: Can England beat Tonga? : Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:23 pm  
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GB/England have always made beating 'lesser' teams hard work. Why I don't know. However they are infinitely superior in every facet of the game than PNG. As I say they will make hard work of it but they will do it easily in the end.

Tonga are a much harder proposition but true to the British nature the more they look like the possible underdog the better they will play. I think they will be pumped to play Tonga purely because they will be written off in some quarters.

That said I don't really care how pedestrian England are until the final, just grind out the wins if they can. England only need one maybe two good games and they are word champions.

My team Ireland did great, how can you win two and not get through - gutted!

Bloody stupid isn’t it? Samoa are through and they have been dreadful!

It should have been:
Top 2 in Groups A+B go through automatically
Top team in Groups C+D go through automatically
Best two next places teams go through

Which would have seen 1/4 Finals of:
Australia v Italy
Tonga v Ireland
PNG v England
Fiji v New Zealand
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Re: Can England beat Tonga? : Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:35 pm  
vastman wrote:
GB/England have always made beating 'lesser' teams hard work. Why I don't know. However they are infinitely superior in every facet of the game than PNG. As I say they will make hard work of it but they will do it easily in the end.

Tonga are a much harder proposition but true to the British nature the more they look like the possible underdog the better they will play. I think they will be pumped to play Tonga purely because they will be written off in some quarters.

That said I don't really care how pedestrian England are until the final, just grind out the wins if they can. England only need one maybe two good games and they are word champions.

My team Ireland did great, how can you win two and not get through - gutted!

When the top team wins 3 :D
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Re: Can England beat Tonga? : Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:45 pm  
Psychedelic Casual wrote:
Bloody stupid isn’t it? Samoa are through and they have been dreadful!

It should have been:
Top 2 in Groups A+B go through automatically
Top team in Groups C+D go through automatically
Best two next places teams go through

Which would have seen 1/4 Finals of:
Australia v Italy
Tonga v Ireland
PNG v England
Fiji v New Zealand


I've thought that method would work better for the last two world cups, as you've displayed would give a better set of and more deserved quarters

I think the long term goal should be 4 leagues of 4 with the top two going through

With the steady improvements to Fiji and big improvements from tonga and PNG I'd like to think The cook islands can field an improved competitive side, we need another nation to come through to fill the final spot

4 leagues of 4 with the top going through has to be the goal
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