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Re: World Cup: Thoughts so far?
Post Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:51 pm
Posted by Charlie Sheen on Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:51 pm
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It's been OK, and gone to form so far, the knockout stages look to be very interesting, and there's at least 6 strong teams in it. When was the last time we could say that about an RL international competition?
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Re: World Cup: Thoughts so far?
Post Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:01 am
Posted by downo on Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:01 am
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I liked watching Australia v England. For me England/GB against Australia is the best game in RL. It's what I grew up watching and I always love those matches. I hope so much that we can get to the final so that we can play them again.

totally agree, we had the best international rugby of any code with the kangaroo tours and we just threw it away, i no the change to summer did not help and made the long tours a thing of the past, but shoret 3 test tours with 3-4 midweek games thrown in would be great again, the big crowd that saw leeds v NZ at Headingley in 2015 proves there is a big appetite for club v tourist games.

just think if we had a kangaroo tour next year,

Cas v Roos at weldon road sell out

Wigan v roos at Dw 20k easily sellout not unthinkable

first test Wembley 60k comfortably with good marketing a record international crowd 80k

midweek Hull fc, possibly hull combined team Kc 20+

Leeds at Headingley 20k sellout

second test Newcastle st james or Coventry sell out at covenrty 40k min at Newcastle. (scrap magic weekend from 2018 onwards)

third test Old Trafford 60-70k

i think those crowds are easily achievable in given 12 months marketing and expectation 6-7 game tour would be enough for interest but won't upset the Nrl too much.








I doubt many clubs over here would want their players going off to the UK for that long, playing that many games etc & with the current level of player welfare & organised conditions for players i doubt many of the players would accept that when they have to come back & go again for a whole season
Re: World Cup: Thoughts so far?
Post Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:39 am
Posted by Biff Tannen on Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:39 am
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downo wrote:
I doubt many clubs over here would want their players going off to the UK for that long, playing that many games etc & with the current level of player welfare & organised conditions for players i doubt many of the players would accept that when they have to come back & go again for a whole season


It wouldn't work anyway these days as both comps play the same time of year, the English clubs and players (those not selected for tests) would also be in shut down mode.

France should get a couple of tests against them though imo.
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Re: World Cup: Thoughts so far?
Post Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:27 pm
Posted by bramleyrhino on Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:27 pm
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I think there needs to be more regular international competition between T1 and T2 nations. England and France are the only two European nations that don't have issues with elgibility, so let's take both nations other to Aus to play T2 nations in Australia, as we did vs Samoa this year - England are too good for France for them playing each other to be of any use (either playing or commercially), a large percentage of our squad is already in Sydney (and this is only likely to get bigger because of commercial failings here), nations like PNG, Fiji, Samoa and Tonga can raise competitive sides and, because of the high immigrant populations in Australia from those nations, you should be able to get a crowd and make it work commercially.

Ideally, there needs to be a window carved out (possibly during ANZAC or Origin weeks) where England and France can fly to Oz (because the NRL won't release its talent mid-season to come to Europe) and take on Samoa, Fiji, Tonga and PNG. Some sort of annual triple-header in Sydney / Newcastle / Brisbane / Gold Coast (say France v PNG, Samoa v Tonga and England v Fiji, with the fixtures rotating on an annual basis), would be a step forward in my view. Longer term, if it can be a success, let's work to carve out a genuine mid-season window.

In the winter, we can keep our international calendar. I'd like to see a four year something like:

Y1: World Cup (in Australasia)
Y2: Roos tour of England including a warm-up game vs France and a home nation
Y3: GB Lions tour to Aus (including games vs PNG / Fiji) and a
Y4: Kiwi tour of England including a warm-up game vs France and a home nation
Y5: World Cup (in Europe)
Y6: Roos tour of England including a warm-up game vs France and a home nation
Y7: GB Lions tour to NZ (+ games vs Samoa & Tonga)
Y8: Kiwi tour of England including a warm-up game vs France and a home nation
Y9: World Cup (in North America)
I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls


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Re: World Cup: Thoughts so far?
Post Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:23 pm
Posted by rollin thunder on Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:23 pm
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downo wrote:
I doubt many clubs over here would want their players going off to the UK for that long, playing that many games etc & with the current level of player welfare & organised conditions for players i doubt many of the players would accept that when they have to come back & go again for a whole season

and there lies the problem Aussie RL not interested in international RL and thats why union is leaving us for dead, the fact that NRL see international RL as 3rd rate and are only interested in NRL and Origin is why RL is struggling
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Post Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:34 pm
Posted by Muggins on Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:34 pm
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rollin thunder wrote:
and there lies the problem Aussie RL not interested in international RL and thats why union is leaving us for dead, the fact that NRL see international RL as 3rd rate and are only interested in NRL and Origin is why RL is struggling


You can't just blame the NRL. RU has loads of international teams that are competitive and have huge amounts of fans. It has been that way for years. GB/England RL have never sold out Wembley - not for two World Cup finals or a semi-final. Can you honestly imagine England RU not selling out an equivalent game? They could probably sell it out twice over. I don't doubt that the NRL can do more, but to lay all the blame at their door is ridiculous. UK RL fans can't even get behind an equivalent to SOO - at least the Aussies have made a success of that.

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. I'm disappointed when games between Australia/England/New Zealand don't sell out, but I understand why interest in a lot of the other matches would be quite low.

RL needs to stop making comparisons with RU. RU has long gone into the distance, at least in terms of the international game. What does that matter though? RL is small compared to RU. RU is tiny compared to football. They're all still great sports.
Re: World Cup: Thoughts so far?
Post Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:20 pm
Posted by downo on Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:20 pm
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rollin thunder wrote:
and there lies the problem Aussie RL not interested in international RL and thats why union is leaving us for dead, the fact that NRL see international RL as 3rd rate and are only interested in NRL and Origin is why RL is struggling






Yeah but union isn't leaving us for dead in Australia, its the other way around, so all good :ROCKS:
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Post Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:42 pm
Posted by Call Me God on Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:42 pm
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downo wrote:
Yeah but union isn't leaving us for dead in Australia, its the other way around, so all good :ROCKS:

Couple of things here.....firstly Union is being left for dead domestically by every sport in Australia, but it still dwarfs us at International level (14 Wannabee tests this year with 7 at home) and how is the NRL being more popular than S15 Rugby "good for international RL"?
NZ, South Africa, Argentina, Scotland, England, Wales, Japan and Fiji as well as a match v the Barbarians....until the Kangaroos get this kind of international schedule we'll always struggle at International level.........
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Post Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:20 am
Posted by Huddersfield1895 on Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:20 am
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Like many i have been disappointed with crowds so far, but it must be said that crowds were down the NRL last season as well so perhaps Rugby League is falling slightly out of favour in Australia at the moment
Re: World Cup: Thoughts so far?
Post Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:42 am
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Huddersfield1895 wrote:
Like many i have been disappointed with crowds so far, but it must be said that crowds were down the NRL last season as well so perhaps Rugby League is falling slightly out of favour in Australia at the moment

AFL up 6.7% 2017 compared to 2016...at 34,010.
NRL down 1.9%....same period at 14,915.

The NRL is big in terms of armchair fans, but the reality is that A-league football is only 3k behind them in terms of averages whilst Aussie Rules is the #1 winter sport across the nation.
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