Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 20:00:00 : Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:26 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Accidental or not, he raised his elbow (albeit marginally and through instinct) at an oncoming defender and impacted the head. Impacting the head is a big no-no these days. Not sure what you don't understand about that, Roy the Referee?

As someone else said - and as it happens I agree - he's a victim of the rules.

Anyway, epic effort from Hull, absolutely outstanding for such a huge side to keep running like that. Not a game for the purist but I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Poor body position from Micky Mac resulting in getting his head in wrong place. Should never have been a red.

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 20:00:00 : Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:35 pm  

Radford was fair in his interview I thought.Don't see what else Hicks could have done in that 1st half, Griffin may cop ban as well? Sets up Thursdays tv game as a real cracker as both teams need the win and both will feel hard done by after loss

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 20:00:00 : Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:40 pm  

love it, Micky Mac is a horrible friend.

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 20:00:00 : Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:54 pm  

craig hkr wrote:

Radford was fair in his interview I thought.Don't see what else Hicks could have done in that 1st half, Griffin may cop ban as well? Sets up Thursdays tv game as a real cracker as both teams need the win and both will feel hard done by after loss

Radford in his interview stating Rob Hicks got it wrong at Wembley with the Tony club no try. Poor old Robert Hicks had no involvement with the officiating in the challenge cup final

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 20:00:00 : Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:06 pm  

Towns88 wrote:

Radford in his interview stating Rob Hicks got it wrong at Wembley with the Tony club no try. Poor old Robert Hicks had no involvement with the officiating in the challenge cup final

He tried to use that as a deflecting tool upfront so he could say that Hicks got the Watts decision incorrect, in the later local radio interview he was corrected by the interviewer and then followed to say that decisions go both ways that can still be both wrong.
That he got it wring over Hicks as the VR is kind of niether here nor there.
Of the two decisions the Watts one is an absolute shocker, completely wrong.

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 20:00:00 : Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:19 pm  

I would actually assume the call of the raised elbow came from the touch judge.

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 20:00:00 : Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:24 pm  

In the vast majority of tackles, the tackler will come into contact with the elbow of the carrier. It's almost impossible not to. For the very rare penalty of a tackler leading with the elbow, it is always raised to above shoulder height and deliberately delivered into the head or neck of a standing opponent. I have never, in 30+ years of watching, playing and refereeing rugby league, seen a player penalised because a tackler's head comes into contact with the carrier's arm in such an instance. To do that consistently would make the game unplayable.

In the same way, headbutts are illegal and a dismissal offence. Yet heads come into contact in a huge proportion of tackles. Context, intent and positioning are everything.

It was a mad decision, which was made by a referee who is clearly not yet ready for the pressure of this level of rugby.

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 20:00:00 : Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:28 pm  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

In the same way, headbutts are illegal and a dismissal offence

You would think that, but the Rob Burrow incident last week makes a mockery of that!

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 20:00:00 : Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:31 pm  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

In the vast majority of tackles, the tackler will come into contact with the elbow of the carrier. It's almost impossible not to. For the very rare penalty of a tackler leading with the elbow, it is always raised to above shoulder height and deliberately delivered into the head or neck of a standing opponent. I have never, in 30+ years of watching, playing and refereeing rugby league, seen a player penalised because a tackler's head comes into contact with the carrier's arm in such an instance. To do that consistently would make the game unplayable.

In the same way, headbutts are illegal and a dismissal offence. Yet heads come into contact in a huge proportion of tackles. Context, intent and positioning are everything.

It was a mad decision, which was made by a referee who is clearly not yet ready for the pressure of this level of rugby.

He swaps the ball to his other hand knowing what's coming. He raises his elbow and leads with it. He knew what he was doing,or wouldn't have swapped hands.

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 20:00:00 : Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:37 pm  

atomic wrote:

He swaps the ball to his other hand knowing what's coming. He raises his elbow and leads with it. He knew what he was doing,or wouldn't have swapped hands.

As I've just posted on the Hull forum, he doesn't switch hands. The ball is never under his left arm. He catches the ball with 2 hands and places it immediately under his right arm. He's never going to drive in holding the ball out in front of him eith 2 hands, and putting it under his left would give more chance of McIlorum forcing an error should he hit under the ball with good impact.
The ball switching argument is a load of rubbish. His right hand literally never leaves the ball.

There's a slow motion video on Twitter for anybody who needs a replay to see this.