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Re: England Full Back : Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:36 am  
Hardaker should be fullback he's our best in that position and let's not start the whole tournament with the philosophy of selecting players out of their best positions: it has never worked for England/GB in the past. Daryl Clark should not be forgotten at 9, had a pretty good season personally in a Wire team that has underperformed all year.
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Re: England Full Back : Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:43 am  
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Hardaker should be fullback he's our best in that position and let's not start the whole tournament with the philosophy of selecting players out of their best positions: it has never worked for England/GB in the past. Daryl Clark should not be forgotten at 9, had a pretty good season personally in a Wire team that has underperformed all year.

Ratchford deserves to be in squad based on form, but especially utility value.

Clark has done enough, again, maybe not as a starting hooker though.

Hill.. will most likely miss out. Currie should be in squad based on ability alone, but may come too late.
Think that'll be it for us in the England Squad.
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Re: England Full Back : Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:03 am  
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Wrong Burgess


True, Luke Burgess has never played for England RU.
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Re: England Full Back : Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:15 pm  
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Eden isnt good enough to be waiting on, especially in a position we are relatively strong.

McShane isnt international class for me, too slow and his style fits Powell, not sure it will fit in to an international set up. I think Walmsley is great at SL level, not agile enough for international RL.


If Eden is fit, he should get in the squad. He's outperformed both Hall and McGillvary.

As for McShane, I'm pretty sure he's just as quick as Josh Hodgson and Roby now he's lost his pace. There's only Daz Clark who probably has more pace and while his form has improved, it's been nowhere near comparable. You pick on form and right now, McShane is the form English hooker in the comp.

14 try assists, most of any hooker in the comp
7th most tackles by a hooker (but given we've defended less than other sides that explains why it's not more)
4th most tackles from marker by a hooker

People like Roby may be better defensively (less missed tackles), which is why he'll probably get in by McShane deserves his shot and his link play with Gale is a huge advantage too. There's a reason why Melbourne and Australia have been so dominant and that's because the spine of the team have played together loads.

Slater-Cronk-Smith and before that Kimmorley was in the halves.
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Re: England Full Back : Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:53 pm  
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If Eden is fit, he should get in the squad. He's outperformed both Hall and McGillvary


For less than a season, in a team performing much better overall, playing a style of rugby much more suited to his game and completely different from how England will be playing in the world cup. Hall and McGillvary are miles better choices for international rugby.
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Re: England Full Back : Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:57 pm  
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For less than a season, in a team performing much better overall, playing a style of rugby much more suited to his game and completely different from how England will be playing in the world cup. Hall and McGillvary are miles better choices for international rugby.

Agreed.
Both Hall and McGillvary would have scored at least as many trys as Eden if they were playing where he has been all year. Plus they both offer more coming away from their own line. Hall's international record speaks for itself. He has to be left winger in my opinion.
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Re: England Full Back : Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:10 pm  
McShane lol
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Re: England Full Back : Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:48 am  
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McShane lol



You can lol so you like but McShane has been quality this season and deserves international recognition every bit as much as Gale and Hardaker.

I would worry about Eden defensively on the international stage.
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Re: England Full Back : Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:08 am  
Ratchford probably did enough in the game vs Samoa to get the utility spot. I'd definitely try to get Joe Burgess in there as well as he's got real pace and an eye for a try.
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Re: England Full Back : Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:19 pm  
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If Eden is fit, he should get in the squad. He's outperformed both Hall and McGillvary.
Eden has had a decent season in a career that barely reached mediocrity. Good on him. But we dont need to wait on that for our back up winger when it is a position we are particularly strong. The difference between England winning the World Cup or not isnt whether we pick Greg Eden or Joe Burgess or Tommy Makinson to be back up winger.

As for McShane, I'm pretty sure he's just as quick as Josh Hodgson and Roby now he's lost his pace. There's only Daz Clark who probably has more pace and while his form has improved, it's been nowhere near comparable. You pick on form and right now, McShane is the form English hooker in the comp.

14 try assists, most of any hooker in the comp
7th most tackles by a hooker (but given we've defended less than other sides that explains why it's not more)
4th most tackles from marker by a hooker

People like Roby may be better defensively (less missed tackles), which is why he'll probably get in by McShane deserves his shot and his link play with Gale is a huge advantage too. There's a reason why Melbourne and Australia have been so dominant and that's because the spine of the team have played together loads.

Slater-Cronk-Smith and before that Kimmorley was in the halves.
Again, Roby has a career of top quality games behind him, McShane has, for most of his career, barely reached average. Roby is a quality player who can play in a couple of positions. McShane simply isnt. He is a decent SL level player looking good in a good side.
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