Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 17:00:00 : Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:53 am  

number 6 wrote:

as for the post above, just because the ball didnt come out of his hands forward it still travelled forward! so that 1 decision each on a missed forward pass leading to a try for both teams

Go out tonight. Throw a stone at the moon. You will notice it heads in that direction. See if it gets there.

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 17:00:00 : Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:55 am  

number 6 wrote: rule of passing the ball in rugby is pass it backwards or as flat, that pass didnt it travelled forward, that is the forward pass rule, not what the muppets on sky say about momentum, or which way his hands are positioned https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg Give this a watch. I believe RL refs base their decisions in the manner explained in the vid, hence the frequent references to the way the ball leaves the hands. That said, the runners involved in the wigan try didn't seem to be moving with sufficient speed to account for the distance the ball moved forward in relation to the ground and I thought it was a forward pass at the time. Didn't pay too much attention thereafter as it mattered little in the overall scheme of things so I might have been mistaken.

number 6 wrote: rule of passing the ball in rugby is pass it backwards or as flat, that pass didnt it travelled forward, that is the forward pass rule, not what the muppets on sky say about momentum, or which way his hands are positioned https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg Give this a watch. I believe RL refs base their decisions in the manner explained in the vid, hence the frequent references to the way the ball leaves the hands. That said, the runners involved in the wigan try didn't seem to be moving with sufficient speed to account for the distance the ball moved forward in relation to the ground and I thought it was a forward pass at the time. Didn't pay too much attention thereafter as it mattered little in the overall scheme of things so I might have been mistaken.

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 17:00:00 : Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:28 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Go out tonight. Throw a stone at the moon. You will notice it heads in that direction. See if it gets there.

Are you suggesting gravity was the cause of the ball travelling in a forward direction? You're not a distant relative of isaac newton by any chance are you?

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 17:00:00 : Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:09 am  

Did Tierney get away with his cynical two-footed lunge on Minichiello? That was a nasty moment - could easily have snapped his wrist.

We see this kind of tackle more and more often when a try is being scored - sliding in with knees/feet - it's extremely dangerous.

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 17:00:00 : Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:45 am  

Jake the Peg wrote:

Are you suggesting gravity was the cause of the ball travelling in a forward direction? You're not a distant relative of isaac newton by any chance are you?

The stone initially defies gravity due to its velocity. The ball initially defies momentum due to its direction & velocity. There's a career as a physicist beckoning.

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 17:00:00 : Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:48 am  

Willzay wrote:

All teams do have injuries but even I have to admit the situation at Wigan is beyond ridiculous. What are the backroom staff doing there? What was the point of re-signing Sam Tomkins? Played what 6 games last year and probably less this year. Perhaps it's time for wholesale changes there, starting with the coach. Lenagan cant be happy with the money that's been wasted.

Because according to Eddy and co,he walks on water.

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 17:00:00 : Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:17 am  

bren2k wrote:

We see this kind of tackle more and more often when a try is being scored - sliding in with knees/feet - it's extremely dangerous.

Tom Davies should've been banned for this on Tupou on Monday. What a surprise, no charge there. Tierney gets off scot free. Didn't Alex Walmsley get banned for this as well?

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 17:00:00 : Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:18 am  

tigertot wrote:

The stone initially defies gravity due to its velocity. The ball initially defies momentum due to its direction & velocity. There's a career as a physicist beckoning.

How does that work then?

Momentum is mass x velocity, and velocity is a speed in a given direction, so how can the ball initially defy something defined by its mass and the direction/speed it's travelling, and i'm not even a physicist.

That said, IIRC, Cummings said that ball was initially flat then drifted forward, which is just another of his "defend the ref at all costs" comments irrespective of what actually happened.

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 17:00:00 : Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:53 am  

I haven't seen the game, nor can I see any videos linked here, but a ball absolutely cant travel forwards in relation to the pitch but backwards in relation to the players. There's a video out there - a Union one - that explains the momentum rule in an extreme way. The guy runs forwards, throws it back over his head behind him. The ball still moves forward from the point he threw it to where it lands (a few metres IIRC) but you could never argue it was forwards because he literally wazzed it over his head backwards.

As I say, I haven't seen the pass in question but this is more directed at the people who say that if a ball is travelling forwards in relation to the pitch it must be forward.

Re: GAME ON : Hull FC v Wigan Warriors - 17:00:00 : Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:29 pm  

Thread is going around in circles.

It was a clear forward pass. The inertia of the ball would need a fair amount of forward motion in the first place. William s does not give them much forward motion, so for the ball to travel as it did, it was passed forward.

That Williams played the ref by running forwards once the pass had been made was cleaver play on his part.