Re: Justin Carney : Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:44 am  

Trainman wrote:

Do refs in non televised games wear microphones?

The game was televised, sort of. Doesn't mean the mic picked up what Justin said though.

Re: Justin Carney : Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:02 pm  

bren2k wrote:

But is his dad a c**t?

I can see the argument that prefacing the expletive with a racially aggravated element makes it more egregious, but it's still not ok for a pro RL player to be running around referring to opposition players in that way.

Cue accusations of being a snowflake, and suggestions that it's a mans game and this is just what happens etc etc.

No i agree, it's not acceptable even in the heat of the moment to use extreme language, however the accusation needs to be proven without doubt for something so serious no?
I know the RL disciplinary method is to prove innocence otherwise you're guilty - you see this most weeks where evidence is based upon supposition from outcome as to what actually may or may not have happened, the supposed biting of Billy Slater's ear in Australia is a prime example.
Bloodied ear, jammer giving him the verbal's right up close and even with a dental expert stating there's no way it could have being a bite (& no bite marks) he was found guilty.

Re: Justin Carney : Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:09 pm  

Someone ring the lip reader they got in when Hardener was in trouble...

[Sadfish]

Re: Justin Carney : Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:21 pm  

It is a tough game and expletives happen all the time, but there is a limit and it is rarely a crossed line.

Re: Justin Carney : Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:51 pm  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

No i agree, it's not acceptable even in the heat of the moment to use extreme language, however the accusation needs to be proven without doubt for something so serious no?
I know the RL disciplinary method is to prove innocence otherwise you're guilty - you see this most weeks where evidence is based upon supposition from outcome as to what actually may or may not have happened, the supposed biting of Billy Slater's ear in Australia is a prime example.
Bloodied ear, jammer giving him the verbal's right up close and even with a dental expert stating there's no way it could have being a bite (& no bite marks) he was found guilty.

Scott Moore been done for gouging at the bottom of a pile of about 15 players with Heremaia on top of him with no video evidence was the worst. The RFL even gave him the ban at the bottom of the grading scale because they said they couldn't be 100% sure if he'd done it.

Re: Justin Carney : Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:51 pm  

Jack Smith is an incompetent referee who struggles to keep up with the game and would be reffing amateurs if it wasn't for the RFL using his story to get some media attention. With that in mind, I wouldn't be shocked at all if he's way wide of the mark in what he thinks he's heard.

But Justin Poore got banned when he played for Hull KR for swearing at his own team mate but James Child(?) thought it was aimed at him and still got banned. The RFL will take the refs word over anyone elses even with evidence supporting the player at times.

Re: Justin Carney : Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:17 pm  

Gronk! wrote:

Jack Smith is an incompetent referee who struggles to keep up with the game and would be reffing amateurs if it wasn't for the RFL using his story to get some media attention. With that in mind, I wouldn't be shocked at all if he's way wide of the mark in what he thinks he's heard.

But Justin Poore got banned when he played for Hull KR for swearing at his own team mate but James Child(?) thought it was aimed at him and still got banned. The RFL will take the refs word over anyone elses even with evidence supporting the player at times.

It was Mick Weyman to Roby iirc got banned but it was overturned on appeal.

Re: Justin Carney : Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:26 pm  

Am I right that Carney has admitted to calling his colleague a c**t - but that the dispute is over whether he prefaced that with 'black' or 'fat?'

That being the case, it was right to send him off for foul and abusive language; the issue then becomes whether he made a racial slur - if he did, he'll be quite appropriately in hot water - if not, he'll be exonerated.

On that basis, I'm not sure what people think the ref has done wrong?

Re: Justin Carney : Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:21 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Am I right that Carney has admitted to calling his colleague a c**t - but that the dispute is over whether he prefaced that with 'black' or 'fat?'

That being the case, it was right to send him off for foul and abusive language; the issue then becomes whether he made a racial slur - if he did, he'll be quite appropriately in hot water - if not, he'll be exonerated.

On that basis, I'm not sure what people think the ref has done wrong?

As someone who attended the game let me give a bit of context.
The game was very physical and can best be described as a typical Paul Rowley type performance.
After a few late hits on players it was getting out of control when Toronto scored and most players were in the same area as Bailey and Carney Bailey was giving a bit of sledging Carney reacted and said something in return what was said is down to debate.

The referee did not react, Bailey or his team mates didn't react, Salford players didn't react but the in goal judge reported what he heard/thought he heard that's about it.

If there is a racist comment then he deserves a long ban. The things that I question is did Bailey make a complaint and with the niggle in th game at the time why did all the players not pile in

Re: Justin Carney : Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:02 pm  

Justin Carney charged Grade F Verbal abuse based on race/colour (EGP not available).