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Why is Union more popular ? : Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:53 am  
I was talking to a union fan the other day about the merits of both codes. I was saying League is a more skilful,faster game and he agreed, but kept repeating Union is more popular.
Why is it more popular ?
I know that when I was at High School we were only allowed to play Union, as I remember, it was only Catholic schools that played League.
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Re: Why is Union more popular ? : Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:03 pm  
Public schools play Union. The money men go to public schools so Union gets the money and are marketed to the right demographic.
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Re: Why is Union more popular ? : Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:11 pm  
Rugby league is not more skillful than rugby union at all. It is more popular because rugby league is going backwards at an alarming rate to the extent that it is now just a glorified game of british bulldog. Neutrals who once would tune into super league on a friday night to watch a cracking match involving players of the calibre of Sean Long, Paul Sculthorpe, Jamie Peacock, Keiron Cunningham etc are instead, treated to a bore fest involving a load of academy lads with floppy hair playing first team. The standard is at an all time low and this is why people dont watch it

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Re: Why is Union more popular ? : Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:33 pm  
Union is marketed better. Has far more money behind it to ensure it’s played across the UK. Facilities in clubs are better than their league counterparts. Has a far better international setup. Administration is far better organised. Game has friends in high places as it’s a game played in all the private schools, grammar schools, universities etc. It benefits from more extensive sympathetic and detailed media coverage. Need I go on?
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Re: Why is Union more popular ? : Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:36 pm  
Lebron James wrote:
Rugby league is not more skillful than rugby union at all. It is more popular because rugby league is going backwards at an alarming rate to the extent that it is now just a glorified game of British Bulldog"

"instead, treated to a bore fest involving a load of academy lads with floppy hair playing first team. The standard is at an all time low and this is why people dont watch it"

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What standard did you reach Prince Albert ?

Go on, name a Club you played for !

I will make it easy to compare for you ....

Bedford H.S RL, Leigh College RL, Leigh Miners RL, R.A.F Wittering R.U, Corby Town RU, R.A.F RL.

At no point did I ever get close to being of the standard of SL or top Championship pro's, so again, go on, dazzle us with your CV.
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Re: Why is Union more popular ? : Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:52 pm  
Like others have said, I would say it is simply because of where it is played. More popular in the south where there is more money for people to invest. London is more appealing to investors and players than Widnes or Wakefield say (no offence to those places, just examples).

I suppose that a factor is the leagues and international game has been a lot more structured and stable over the years.

Nothing to do with it being a better game I wouldn't say, ultimately comes back to where it is played.

And just cos a their game is more popular doesnt mean it is better at all just means a lot of people don't know what they are missing! :D
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Re: Why is Union more popular ? : Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:57 pm  
RL has the code. RU has everything else.
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Re: Why is Union more popular ? : Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:58 pm  
In response to Lebron James above:

But that's not exactly true, W/E 22 May 2016 according to BARB there's not a hint of RU watchers in the top 10 per Sky channel but RL is all over the week.

W/e 29 - we see RU international at the top of the SS3 chart. SS3 has a little less than 50% of the international RU viewing figures watching the Summer Bash and a scattering of more of the same over all but SS1.

W/E 15 - no RU makes and appearance. Lots of RL.

W/E 8 - Lots of RL and RU makes an appearance in 10th on SS4 with 22k viewers.

W/E 1 - SS2, SL, 184k viewers and 143k viewers. RU 10th spot on SS5 with 30k and 22K

Getting away from May, to October is a pain. SL w/e 2 Oct - 179k on Friday. I have to jump to the W/E23 Oct to find a non-international RU game, it's the European Champs three games with 70-76k each.

Given the number of competitions which Sky cover for RU outside of International and European cup games it simply doesn't seem to exist. Fishing programmes in Africa have similar viewing figures.
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Re: Why is Union more popular ? : Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:21 pm  
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players of the calibre of Sean Long, Paul Sculthorpe, Jamie Peacock, Keiron Cunningham etc


Wow, lucky none of those mentioned ever played for an academy or anything similar.
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Re: Why is Union more popular ? : Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:13 pm  
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Like others have said, I would say it is simply because of where it is played. More popular in the south where there is more money for people to invest. London is more appealing to investors and players than Widnes or Wakefield say (no offence to those places, just examples).


I don't consider London to be a RU stronghold. It's true that London is the home of the Establishment and RU is very much an Establishment game (although it has worked hard to broaden it's appeal in a way RL has not), but the "big" London RU clubs are on the edges where London merges with the home counties, and more of the big English RU clubs are actually in the South West or Midlands.

yorksguy1865 wrote:
I suppose that a factor is the leagues and international game has been a lot more structured and stable over the years.


I think there is a parochial mindset entrenched amongst a significant section of the RL base which has always held back expansion, I suspect it (partly) has its roots in the way RL emerged as a distinctly professional sport, so the 'amateur' side of RL came as an afterthought in a way that isn't true of other sports that are played professionally. There have been some genuine attempts to break out of being a regional sport, but it's always done with a chunk of the RL base fighting against it every inch of the way. English RU on the other hand has been far more willing to embrace change and far less dogged by small mindedness. Interestingly I'd suggest that some of the experiences of Scottish and Welsh RU have been more akin to RL's struggles, but they have that stronger international game to fall back on.

RL in Australia has fared better the social and economic conditions were better:
- Association Football has never had the same level of dominance as it does in the UK (and huge swathes of the rest of the world)
- Australia has less of the baggage that came with the 'RU' split
- The RL heartland in Australia developed in its most populous and economically powerful region (NSW), whereas RL's heartlands are within the historic counties of Lancashire, Yorkshire and Cumberland, which declined in relative economic power throughout the 20th century.

I look back on the first time I visited The Stoop to watch the Broncos in the Branson era, it was big and bold and there was a sense of great things being possible with SL, we played Saints and a few players like Paul Sculthorpe were coming close to having a genuine national profile. Twenty years later and it has imploded.
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