Re: Is the Championship a sustainable competition? : Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:18 am  

Franchising doesn't necessarily have to be the same rules as the previous franchising period. So sharing football grounds would be okay, seen as though all shared football grounds are better than 90% built for RL grounds. Maybe LSV and Halliwell Jones as exceptions.

Re: Is the Championship a sustainable competition? : Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:36 am  

atomic wrote:

Didn't the criteria of franchising also include sharing football grounds as being a no no..

Nope

But we're discussing Barrie glass eyes criteria

Re: Is the Championship a sustainable competition? : Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:39 am  

Bulls Boy 2011 wrote:

Franchising doesn't necessarily have to be the same rules as the previous franchising period. So sharing football grounds would be okay, seen as though all shared football grounds are better than 90% built for RL grounds. Maybe LSV and Halliwell Jones as exceptions.

Again Barries glass eyes criteria

And yes it's always been acces to a suitable stadium , access being the operative word

Re: Is the Championship a sustainable competition? : Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:51 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

Nope

But we're discussing Barrie glass eyes criteria

Could I ask then gubrats, which of the criteria put forward would you say should not be the expectation of a fully professional top flight club?

I would perhaps change the wording of the crowd sizes to is it reasonable to expect that a club will be able to attract 7k if in the top flight and competitive. (after all there are extraneous circumstances, but is there the potential for it to happen within a licencing period).

Re: Is the Championship a sustainable competition? : Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:05 pm  

Barrie's Glass Eye wrote:

Could I ask then gubrats, which of the criteria put forward would you say should not be the expectation of a fully professional top flight club?

I would perhaps change the wording of the crowd sizes to is it reasonable to expect that a club will be able to attract 7k if in the top flight and competitive. (after all there are extraneous circumstances, but is there the potential for it to happen within a licencing period).

You misunderstand me , all of your criteria is fine , in fact its less than we would/should hope for

But we don't reach it currently , so you have 2 choices , reduce your criteria , or don't have franchising , simple really

Re: Is the Championship a sustainable competition? : Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:44 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

You misunderstand me , all of your criteria is fine , in fact its less than we would/should hope for

But we don't reach it currently , so you have 2 choices , reduce your criteria , or don't have franchising , simple really

Ah, apologies for misunderstanding, I don't know which of that criteria I'd be willing to get rid of.

I'd also imagine that there are a few clubs not currently meeting the criteria would quickly be able to make amendments if they were were told it was you did this or you didn't get SL.

I'll admit that I don't know the answer, I just feel like the current setup isn't conducive to strengthening the game I love.

Re: Is the Championship a sustainable competition? : Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:01 pm  

Barrie's Glass Eye wrote:

Ah, apologies for misunderstanding, I don't know which of that criteria I'd be willing to get rid of.

I'd also imagine that there are a few clubs not currently meeting the criteria would quickly be able to make amendments if they were were told it was you did this or you didn't get SL.

I'll admit that I don't know the answer, I just feel like the current setup isn't conducive to strengthening the game I love.

The only criteria that could be easily passed ( and even then having an end product guarantee is difficult ) is the academy , attendances and stadia issues are not something to be sorted overnight

I too admit I don't know the answer , till somebody does I'll just carry on enjoying watching my team whatever competition they are in , providing that structure excites me , franchising doesn't and didn't , I stopped watching when locked out of SL

Re: Is the Championship a sustainable competition? : Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:30 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

The only criteria that could be easily passed ( and even then having an end product guarantee is difficult ) is the academy , attendances and stadia issues are not something to be sorted overnight

I too admit I don't know the answer , till somebody does I'll just carry on enjoying watching my team whatever competition they are in , providing that structure excites me , franchising doesn't and didn't , I stopped watching when locked out of SL

Was the start of the demise.How far has the sport travelled since that lock down? Did the sport improve in any capacity?

Everything was pointing to feeder clubs to feed SL,follow the Aussie strategy.Could never happen with heartland clubs still disadvantaged..

As I've stated before,media coverage/money carries the weight,we just have a governing body that can't see any further than Sly and SL.

Re: Is the Championship a sustainable competition? : Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:53 pm  

atomic wrote:

Was the start of the demise.How far has the sport travelled since that lock down? Did the sport improve in any capacity?

Everything was pointing to feeder clubs to feed SL,follow the Aussie strategy.Could never happen with heartland clubs still disadvantaged..

As I've stated before,media coverage/money carries the weight,we just have a governing body that can't see any further than Sly and SL.

It's difficult to know what the sport does to significantly change its standing in world sport.
RL is so far behind football and Union in this country, it wont "compete" anytime soon.

People always talk about building up from the grass roots but, to do this will take another 100 years and during this time Football and Union will keep on growing.

Should we accept "defeat" in terms of revenue from TV and sponsorship or keep on trying to punch above our weight.

Sadly, it all comes down to money and with our governing body snapping Sky's hand off and accepting a relatively poor deal (compared to the gut wrenching increases that Football and Union achieved, we are left even further behind.

All of the bleating and moaning in the world wont change this and we really do need to accept having SL as the premier competition and The Championship comes second.

The funding that we have should be concentrated in the top flight, just as every other world sport does and to help the top flight clubs to be a little more stable, we should probably scrap the "super 8" system which, has half of the competition fighting to avoid the drop, while the other half become stronger and stronger (relatively speaking).

We should do away with the salary cap but, any club going into administration drop 1 division and any club liquidated would mean the new entity starts in the third tier.

This would stabilise the top flight clubs and allow the wealthy clubs, or those with wealthy owners, to splash the cash.

Finally, I would increase SL to 14 clubs to accommodate KR and London and increase still further if Toronto and Toulouse make the grade.

Having said that, Toronto, along with any other North American clubs, is not really a practical location to have for any SL club and the plan for them in the long term, has to be to compete in a North American league.

Re: Is the Championship a sustainable competition? : Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:21 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

It's difficult to know what the sport does to significantly change its standing in world sport.
RL is so far behind football and Union in this country, it wont "compete" anytime soon.

People always talk about building up from the grass roots but, to do this will take another 100 years and during this time Football and Union will keep on growing.

Should we accept "defeat" in terms of revenue from TV and sponsorship or keep on trying to punch above our weight.

Sadly, it all comes down to money and with our governing body snapping Sky's hand off and accepting a relatively poor deal (compared to the gut wrenching increases that Football and Union achieved, we are left even further behind.

All of the bleating and moaning in the world wont change this and we really do need to accept having SL as the premier competition and The Championship comes second.

The funding that we have should be concentrated in the top flight, just as every other world sport does and to help the top flight clubs to be a little more stable, we should probably scrap the "super 8" system which, has half of the competition fighting to avoid the drop, while the other half become stronger and stronger (relatively speaking).

We should do away with the salary cap but, any club going into administration drop 1 division and any club liquidated would mean the new entity starts in the third tier.

This would stabilise the top flight clubs and allow the wealthy clubs, or those with wealthy owners, to splash the cash.

Finally, I would increase SL to 14 clubs to accommodate KR and London and increase still further if Toronto and Toulouse make the grade.

Having said that, Toronto, along with any other North American clubs, is not really a practical location to have for any SL club and the plan for them in the long term, has to be to compete in a North American league.

So more teams would spread the money further , to acomodate 2 clubs , neither of which pass Barrie's reasonable criteria

So filling up SL with more poor clubs is what you're suggesting , all decided by committee