Re: Super 8s : Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:34 pm  

bentleberry wrote:

It's not the majority of teams which have deadrubber games, the majority of games in the S8s mean something. The only games which are deadrubber games are the ones played between teams who can't mathematically make the top 4 (eg Widnes vs Wakefield this season) and even they still have pride and finishing position to play for. Games such as Hull vs Wakefield in the S8s are far from being dead rubber for one of the teams (had Wakefield won then Warrington would have been awarded the LLS a week earlier).

The teams who find themselves in the middle 8 need to concentrate for all of their games so they have no deadrubber games. Roughly 10% of all the games during the super 8s this year had less meaning, I don't think that's too bad

From the point of view if Wakefield and Widnes all their games were dead rubbers and as we went on Cas and then Les Catalans were realistically out of the race, pretty early too. We had 8 teams playing a round Robin so 4 of them could decide who played at home. The season ended with 20 points between 4th and 8th and 9pts between 4th and 5th.

[Uncle Rico]

Re: Super 8s : Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:35 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

From the point of view if Wakefield and Widnes all their games were dead rubbers and as we went on Cas and then Les Catalans were realistically out of the race, pretty early too. We had 8 teams playing a round Robin so 4 of them could decide who played at home. The season ended with 20 points between 4th and 8th and 9pts between 4th and 5th.

Meanwhile in 'progressive school sports day land' where there are no losers and little consequence for performance and no ones feelings get hurt, everything is absolutely fine I think that the majority would soon tire of that particular type of dead rubber if they had to put up with it week in week out?

Of course you know this

Re: Super 8s : Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:04 pm  

Uncle Rico wrote:

Meanwhile in 'progressive school sports day land' where there are no losers and little consequence for performance and no ones feelings get hurt, everything is absolutely fine I think that the majority would soon tire of that particular type of dead rubber if they had to put up with it week in week out?

Of course you know this

What on earth are you talking about?

[Uncle Rico]

Re: Super 8s : Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:51 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

What on earth are you talking about?

I think you should ask yourself the same question from time to time it was you that stretched the thread Super 8's to relegation from Championship 1 and potential oblivion

FWIW it was trying to make some sense of your 'for every winner there is a loser' piece of wisdom/dead rubber argument so I will leave it there thanks on the understanding that my initial point was meant to reflect that I was pleased that Leigh had the opportunity of getting promoted after putting in a bit of effort over a number of years and also a fair minded post from a KR fan saying pretty much the same thing

Re: Super 8s : Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:10 pm  

At the risk of (but who cares) repeating what I have touted over & over ....

There are too many games in a SL Season & not enough Internationals, therefore to alleviate this issue & avoid the potential of rewarding a season of mediocrity with a Grand Final, this should happen ....

Top 4 go straight to Semi-Finals, P1 v P4 & P2 v P3.
Winners to GF.

Middle 4 play in the Dead Rubber Cup P5 v P8 & P6 v P7
Winners play curtain raiser for GF in the Blue Peter Sticky Back Plastic Shield.

Bottom 4 Join Top 4 Championship for Q8's as now but with no MPG
P9 > P12 Qualify.

Overall, a reduction of games & create a space for an extra International & training camp.

Re: Super 8s : Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:54 am  

Quite amazing that they don't have any ' dead rubber ' games in the NRL

Re: Super 8s : Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:57 am  

Uncle Rico wrote:

I think you should ask yourself the same question from time to time it was you that stretched the thread Super 8's to relegation from Championship 1 and potential oblivion

FWIW it was trying to make some sense of your 'for every winner there is a loser' piece of wisdom/dead rubber argument so I will leave it there thanks on the understanding that my initial point was meant to reflect that I was pleased that Leigh had the opportunity of getting promoted after putting in a bit of effort over a number of years and also a fair minded post from a KR fan saying pretty much the same thing

I didn't make some philosophical argument regarding the nature of winning. It is a mathematical argument about the inherently rare set of results which can produce a competitive super 8s.

Re: Super 8s : Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:01 am  

GUBRATS wrote:

Quite amazing that they don't have any ' dead rubber ' games in the NRL

Did the NRL introduce a convoluted structure with competitive unfairness with the aim of minimizing dead rubbers?

The Super 8s are as they were described by an SL chairman earlier this year, a commercial disaster without any merits at all.

[Nat (Rugby_Aholic)]

Re: Super 8s : Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:57 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Did the NRL introduce a convoluted structure with competitive unfairness with the aim of minimizing dead rubbers?

The Super 8s are as they were described by an SL chairman earlier this year, a commercial disaster without any merits at all.

Of course a Super League chairman said that, he doesn't want to loose access to his precious old boys club that is SL.
Several years of franchising resulting in more and more "dead rubbers" year after year. How many season did Wakefield, Hull KR etc have nothing to play for after August ?

Are you really so arrogant that you think teams shouldn't have to justify their place in the elite league?

Re: Super 8s : Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:05 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

competitive unfairness.