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Time to wave the white flag. : Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:11 am  
The RL system in this country is shot at IMO.
Clubs sign 2nd rate players from down under, appoint a national coach discarded by his own country, allow SL clubs to loan players to the championship so overseas players get their place and watch even championship teams sign overseas cast offs never will be .
Unlikely to change but all I see is the slow demise of the game.

I surrender. RL in this country is a joke IMO so walk away from direct involuntary. Sadly many others have done and will do.
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Re: Time to wave the white flag. : Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:24 am  
Do you want me to go fetch the noose?
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Re: Time to wave the white flag. : Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:32 am  
Leaguefan wrote:
The RL system in this country is shot at IMO.
Clubs sign 2nd rate players from down under, appoint a national coach discarded by his own country, allow SL clubs to loan players to the championship so overseas players get their place and watch even championship trams sign overseas cast offs never will be .
Unlikely to change but all I see is the slow demise of the game.

I surrender. RL in this country is a joke IMO so walk away from direct involuntary. Sadly many others have done and will do.

Shameful


Can't argue with any of that - I don't even consider it a proper sport anymore in terms of structure and administration - some teams, coaches and players do their best but they are swimminh against a tide of stupidity.

You only have o read the VT to realise what a deluded fantasy world some are living in. With talk of reducing existing SL teams in areas where the game is popular and then setting up new teams where no one cares and no one ever will. Anow virtually non existant Academy set up, and a long gone reserve grade - all cornerstones of the much vaunted Aussie set up. Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic.

I wish I could warm to RU because it's now the far superior sport in almost every sense but above all it's run by clever people not the normal collection of self serving owners of Double Glazing firms or whatever other shabby little second rate business made their money. These people have no idea how to run what should be a national sport by now.

I agree, the dream is probably over - the only chance of redemption is winning the Four nations though I wouldn't hold my breath - that said we'd squander it by being the first sport to go for a franchise on Mars.
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Re: Time to wave the white flag. : Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:34 am  
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Do you want me to go fetch the noose?


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Re: Time to wave the white flag. : Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:07 am  
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Can't argue with any of that - I don't even consider it a proper sport anymore in terms of structure and administration - some teams, coaches and players do their best but they are swimminh against a tide of stupidity.

You only have o read the VT to realise what a deluded fantasy world some are living in. With talk of reducing existing SL teams in areas where the game is popular and then setting up new teams where no one cares and no one ever will. Anow virtually non existant Academy set up, and a long gone reserve grade - all cornerstones of the much vaunted Aussie set up. Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic.

I wish I could warm to RU because it's now the far superior sport in almost every sense but above all it's run by clever people not the normal collection of self serving owners of Double Glazing firms or whatever other shabby little second rate business made their money. These people have no idea how to run what should be a national sport by now.

I agree, the dream is probably over - the only chance of redemption is winning the Four nations though I wouldn't hold my breath - that said we'd squander it by being the first sport to go for a franchise on Mars.


I can't believe i'm saying this to you but...spot on :D
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Re: Time to wave the white flag. : Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:48 am  
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Can't argue with any of that - I don't even consider it a proper sport anymore in terms of structure and administration - some teams, coaches and players do their best but they are swimminh against a tide of stupidity.

You only have o read the VT to realise what a deluded fantasy world some are living in. With talk of reducing existing SL teams in areas where the game is popular and then setting up new teams where no one cares and no one ever will. Anow virtually non existant Academy set up, and a long gone reserve grade - all cornerstones of the much vaunted Aussie set up. Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic.

I wish I could warm to RU because it's now the far superior sport in almost every sense but above all it's run by clever people not the normal collection of self serving owners of Double Glazing firms or whatever other shabby little second rate business made their money. These people have no idea how to run what should be a national sport by now.

I agree, the dream is probably over - the only chance of redemption is winning the Four nations though I wouldn't hold my breath - that said we'd squander it by being the first sport to go for a franchise on Mars.

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Re: Time to wave the white flag. : Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:35 pm  
Leaguefan wrote:
The RL system in this country is shot at IMO.
Clubs sign 2nd rate players from down under, appoint a national coach discarded by his own country, allow SL clubs to loan players to the championship so overseas players get their place and watch even championship trams sign overseas cast offs never will be .
Unlikely to change but all I see is the slow demise of the game.

I surrender. RL in this country is a joke IMO so walk away from direct involuntary. Sadly many others have done and will do.
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Don't forget the referees being utterly useless as well :)
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Re: Time to wave the white flag. : Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:37 pm  
And I thought I was feeling depressed what with our relegation.
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Re: Time to wave the white flag. : Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:40 pm  
I watch the RU Premiership on TV and agree that the sport seems to be run better than RL.



vastman wrote:
Can't argue with any of that - I don't even consider it a proper sport anymore in terms of structure and administration - some teams, coaches and players do their best but they are swimminh against a tide of stupidity.

You only have o read the VT to realise what a deluded fantasy world some are living in. With talk of reducing existing SL teams in areas where the game is popular and then setting up new teams where no one cares and no one ever will. Anow virtually non existant Academy set up, and a long gone reserve grade - all cornerstones of the much vaunted Aussie set up. Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic.

I wish I could warm to RU because it's now the far superior sport in almost every sense but above all it's run by clever people not the normal collection of self serving owners of Double Glazing firms or whatever other shabby little second rate business made their money. These people have no idea how to run what should be a national sport by now.

I agree, the dream is probably over - the only chance of redemption is winning the Four nations though I wouldn't hold my breath - that said we'd squander it by being the first sport to go for a franchise on Mars.
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Re: Time to wave the white flag. : Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:56 pm  
Leaguefan wrote:
The RL system in this country is shot at IMO.
Clubs sign 2nd rate players from down under, appoint a national coach discarded by his own country, allow SL clubs to loan players to the championship so overseas players get their place and watch even championship trams sign overseas cast offs never will be .
Unlikely to change but all I see is the slow demise of the game.

I surrender. RL in this country is a joke IMO so walk away from direct involuntary. Sadly many others have done and will do.
Shameful


You may be right, might not be. I'm an optimist and prefer to look at the positive.

Firstly the England coach, he is probably the best coach this sport has ever produced. He's brought success pretty much wherever he has gone. He's one of the very few foreigners I'm delighted to have coaching England and hope he can do for us what he did for NZ.

Clubs have signed foreign players for decades. As a winter sport we were able to sign some of the best players who would play back to back seasons though most of those only played 3/4 of the season when they went back. Since summer rugby the antipodeans had to make a choice and couldn't do both consiquently most choose to stay in Australia. We still pick up some pretty good players, admittedly some not so good too. Home grown players will always be complimented with foreigners, IMO the diversity is good for a team. I think we allow too many non fed players at the moment and would prefer to see it reduced to a maximum of 5 in the match day 17.

I'm not sure I'm watching 'the slow demise of the game' though changes in administration need to happen to allow the sport to progress as it should do. The biggest single factor IMO is we need to reintroduce the pathway from youth to first team. All professional clubs (or at least super league clubs) should be forced to run both an academy and reserve team. If this is detrimental to the first team in the short term so be it, it will bear fruit in the medium term.

Football is the number one sport in the country and nothing's going to change that. When we compare ourselves to the others such as RU & Cricket the biggest difference is our lack of a proper international structure. To do that we need expansion and clubs based in countries like France, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Chucking them straight into SL has been tried, and with the exception of Catalan, has failed. I think the RFL have got it right by introducing clubs like Toulouse Andy Lowe levels and allowing themselves to develop a foundation before building. We need to do this with 2 or 3 teams in the other countries.

In short, I'm cautiously optimistic for the future but recognise the need for change in the administration at senior level. One thing is for sure I will never walk away from the sport I love, if I had to I'd start following the local amateur team if that was all that's left.
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