Re: GAME ON : Wigan Warriors v Hull FC - 20:00:00 : Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:48 am  

TheElectricGlidingWarrior wrote:

The on field decision definitely needs scrapping though, I've said that from the start. It's an irrational policy to make the referee guess and then to give that guess such authority that most VRs can't overturn it. Bring back BOD and let the on-field and video referees both make the decision together, on-field ref has the final say.

I'm not sure, it was brought in to give the on field ref (FR) more power as the VR was often taking too much time. With this being a tribunal now both VRs need to agree, if anything I think it balances the game in the right way as the on field ref has to make the exact same decisions in a game without the benefit of the VR.

Yes, the FR has to potentially guess but that surely just adds a pressure to be better at observing the game rather than be able to fall back to the VR.

Re: GAME ON : Wigan Warriors v Hull FC - 20:00:00 : Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:56 am  

goobervision wrote:

I'm not sure, it was brought in to give the on field ref (FR) more power as the VR was often taking too much time. With this being a tribunal now both VRs need to agree, if anything I think it balances the game in the right way as the on field ref has to make the exact same decisions in a game without the benefit of the VR.

Yes, the FR has to potentially guess but that surely just adds a pressure to be better at observing the game rather than be able to fall back to the VR.

The thing about time is that the VR is taking longer because they are having to judge not whether or not it was a try, but whether it is enough of a try.

Re: GAME ON : Wigan Warriors v Hull FC - 20:00:00 : Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:47 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

The thing about time is that the VR is taking longer because they are having to judge not whether or not it was a try, but whether it is enough of a try.

The VR used to take ages before the on field decision rule was introduced

Re: GAME ON : Wigan Warriors v Hull FC - 20:00:00 : Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:05 am  

League 1 manages perfectly well with just a referee and two touch judges - have they though of trying this out in SL?

Re: GAME ON : Wigan Warriors v Hull FC - 20:00:00 : Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:11 am  

The Chronicler of Chiswic wrote:

League 1 manages perfectly well with just a referee and two touch judges - have they though of trying this out in SL?

Enough of your radical nonsense!

Re: GAME ON : Wigan Warriors v Hull FC - 20:00:00 : Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:35 am  

as this thread perfectly demonstrates, people are now getting hung up over the try/no try decision from the ref, rather than considering whether it was actually a try or not in the first place. the system needs scrapping and the video ref system reverting to what it was before. also we need to stop using it for other things like knock ons restarts etc. games are finishing too late

Re: GAME ON : Wigan Warriors v Hull FC - 20:00:00 : Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:40 am  

It was clearly a try and you see similar ones regularly. Scrap the farce of the onfield decision and let the VR make the decision. Maybe put a limit on how much time he can take though

Re: GAME ON : Wigan Warriors v Hull FC - 20:00:00 : Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:37 pm  

As tempting as it is to say scrap the on field decision, it did come in for a reason, to stop the video refs being obliged to look at every angle in case they got it wrong.

I think it would work if the refs were also allowed to send it up as unsure. They just can't tell at times, and that's what the technology is there for, don't make them guess.


RE: people saying it was a no try because he'd given Wigan's, surely he just had to rule on both, in case the first wasn't given.

FWIW, I didn't think it should be given, there was no control on it at all, although that only seems to matter these days if it's an Aussie ruling on a last minute possible England winner.

Re: GAME ON : Wigan Warriors v Hull FC - 20:00:00 : Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:55 pm  

Newbridge_Wolf wrote:

As tempting as it is to say scrap the on field decision, it did come in for a reason, to stop the video refs being obliged to look at every angle in case they got it wrong.

I think it would work if the refs were also allowed to send it up as unsure. They just can't tell at times, and that's what the technology is there for, don't make them guess.


RE: people saying it was a no try because he'd given Wigan's, surely he just had to rule on both, in case the first wasn't given.

FWIW, I didn't think it should be given, there was no control on it at all, although that only seems to matter these days if it's an Aussie ruling on a last minute possible England winner.

Surely if the ref is sure he either gives or disallows the try. The VR is for when the ref isn't sure so the he shouldn't be making a decision either way

Re: GAME ON : Wigan Warriors v Hull FC - 20:00:00 : Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:34 pm  

Jake the Peg wrote:

Surely if the ref is sure he either gives or disallows the try. The VR is for when the ref isn't sure so the he shouldn't be making a decision either way

I think the majority of the time he'll be 90%, but just want to clear up for certain an infringement like obstruction, but it's ones like Hull's try, or where a winger borders the touchline where you can't expect them to decide.