Re: 1958 !!! : Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:53 pm  

Solly wrote:

The stadium is the major reason, Iestyn Harris' article was spot on the other day.

I honestly believe if we did get relegated again it would be the end of the club as we know it.

Please tell me if you think this is just bonkers, *I am not poking fun at Salford, as a Mancunian I would love Salford, Swinton, Oldham & of course Leigh to be thriving*.

What is the value in quitting the Stadium, both to MarwanK & Salford fans ?
Is this even possible ? (Maybe they have a 25 year contract/tenancy for example).

What is to stop MarwanK & Salford teaming up with Swinton for a purpose built Stadium somewhere beneficial to both Clubs ?
There is an awful lot of brownfield land in Salford, Swinton is in Salford & MarwanK could own the Stadium putting it to use as he sees fit.

For example, MarwanK charges a tenancy fee to Swinton Lions, he puts his own caterers in selling his own food & alcohol/beverage stock. MarwanK then can promote his own Stadia for something like *Oh, I don't know, an Elton John gig or England v France etc*.
Continuing on MarwanK & his team rent out space for business, congress rooms, events etc & creates his own Events Management Co.

Now I am No Businessman, however he is & supposedly a successful one at that & reportedly with tens of £M at his disposal. Could he do it ? Would he want to ? Do I need to go see a Doctor ?

Sure, fans of opposing sporting clubs don't like the idea of sharing, yet if it helps you grow, become successful & ensure the secure future you desire then is the idea so abhorrent?

Worth thinking about IMHO but as I said earlier, could be a non starter.

Genuinely interested to hear the thoughts of Salford fans.

Re: 1958 !!! : Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:49 pm  

Not possible, the previous owners of our club basically left us with a white elephant and we're stuck with it. After all the money Salford City Council have given to the stadium there is no way we are leaving.

In an ideal world it would be a great idea for MK to build a stadium in the heart of Salford and share with Swinton but I know of no real sites where it could be built aside from the Agecroft site where Swinton are looking to move to and I don't even know how that would work if were averaging even say 3,000 as the access is just as bad, the best place at the time would of been on the site of the old Ladywell Hospital which is now West One retail park (which has proven to be a waste of time) but it was too late, that would of been perfect.

We are stuck with the AJ Bell and that's that, it makes me laugh that clubs like Wakefield and Cas (no disrespect) are still playing at their old grounds but we had to leave The Willows which tbh wasn't as bad as Wheldon Road and Belle Vue, a real shame as Marwan has said if he was in charge then he would of redeveloped the old place.

Especially with the area Weaste, being redeveloped with a lot of new housing the problems we faced outside the stadium would of been a lot better and potentially a whole new market to aim at.

A real shame, I love to think where we'd of been with a redeveloped Willows.

Re: 1958 !!! : Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:09 pm  

Is a new road to the stadium still been built? Is it expected to improve things? Sounds like the stadium was built without a thought to transport, poor from everybody involved.

Re: 1958 !!! : Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:35 pm  

I think there can be a degree of unreasonable expectation from fans of many sports.

The reality is that unless you all ready have a stadium in a prime location few sports can afford to build anything close to a city centre. Brown field sites in places like Salford are selling for millions and possibly come with a large clean up bill on top.

The infrastructure around the AJ Bell was designed by someone on work experience and while it may be sorted in the next 5 years the damage has been done. As I commented earlier, the fact that first bus don't even attempt to put on extra busses on a match day is pathetic.

When they eventually finish the new road and bridge it may help but I guess even that is now another year off. ( I am no structural engineer but they appear to be drilling the bridge supports to check for structural damage and as yet haven't even started to remove the collapsed road way)

Re: 1958 !!! : Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:43 pm  

My last visit to the Willows was in 2011, when Swinton played their home games there. I went by car, arriving at the stadium without thinking about where I was going to park. I asked a steward outside the ground where would be a good place to park. "Over there" was his response, pointing to "official" parking at the ground. "How much" was my query. "Just go and park, no charge" was his response.

I also remember my first visit to St Helens at Knowsley Road. I got a little lost getting there, and parked up on a side street, got out to try and find where I was... and discovered that I was only yards from a turnstile into the ground.

Good times... with good crowds.

5270 for the Bulls/Fax game today btw.

Re: 1958 !!! : Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:52 pm  

Kiyan wrote:

I think there can be a degree of unreasonable expectation from fans of many sports.

The reality is that unless you all ready have a stadium in a prime location few sports can afford to build anything close to a city centre. Brown field sites in places like Salford are selling for millions and possibly come with a large clean up bill on top.

The infrastructure around the AJ Bell was designed by someone on work experience and while it may be sorted in the next 5 years the damage has been done. As I commented earlier, the fact that first bus don't even attempt to put on extra busses on a match day is pathetic.

When they eventually finish the new road and bridge it may help but I guess even that is now another year off. ( I am no structural engineer but they appear to be drilling the bridge supports to check for structural damage and as yet haven't even started to remove the collapsed road way)

I agree with this. We often do expect too much, especially given the generally low crowds (for a pro sports club to own & run a stadium) and the very low incomes we have in the sport. However we, as usual, often shoot ourselves in the foot. We need to start working together far more, clubs need to start sharing resources (and so share costs) including in some areas to share stadiums.
As you say I wouldn't expect a new stadium in the middle of a city centre anymore as its too expensive. However I do expect, given the luxury of a space and time to build one, that access and parking is good at new stadiums (it shouldn't take 2 hours to get out of a car park at a small stadium that's only half full) and little things like making fans go to the ticket office to buy a ticket to go back to the turnstiles is daft and annoying to fans. We shouldn't be putting barriers and inconveniences in the way of fans/customers/anyone spending money at our clubs.

Re: 1958 !!! : Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:43 pm  

Another big one tonight...

London would have been pilloried for crowds like this a few years back.

Re: 1958 !!! : Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:57 pm  

2275 tonight. Poor. Bet a quarter of that was Cas too.

Re: 1958 !!! : Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:40 am  

Is there room for Salford in this dream SL of giant clubs if this is all they can offer with a mega rich owner after nearly 4 years?

Re: 1958 !!! : Sat Jul 02, 2016 10:04 am  

Newbridge_Wolf wrote:

Another big one tonight...

London would have been pilloried for crowds like this a few years back.

Huddersfield STILL get hammered for crowds more than double that !