Re: Opponents injuries now affect disciplinary outcomes : Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:29 am  

Its always been the case. A head high tackle that doesn't injure someone vs one that breaks a jaw has and always will be treated differently. Otherwise to be consistent you'd have to ban every player that makes a head high tackle for six games or similar, regardless of injury to the opposing player.

Re: Opponents injuries now affect disciplinary outcomes : Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:23 am  

Thats wigan screwed then

Regards

King James

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Opponents injuries now affect disciplinary outcomes : Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:56 am  

Cronus wrote:

The severity of injuries has always been taken into account. Nothing new there.

That said, from the (very poor) footage this appears to be nothing more than a clumsy accident. 4 games seems harsh when he didn't seem to do anything illegal, or show any particular disregard for Shenton's safety.

i've watched the same video, several times now, and it doesn't look bad at all, he's not coming from the side, he's not pushing against the other defenders or anything, it looks ok, the only thing that bothers me, is that you see boudebza's leg coming all the way round to the front of shenton, which kinda suggests he's got him round the waist and literally dropped all his weight onto the back of shenton's legs. and it reminds me of what rob parker used to get cited for when playing for warrington, where he'd sort of tackle a player from behind then raise his legs up and the ball carrier's legs would then collapse under the weight, he never hurt anyone but the disciplinary kept speaking to him as it had the potential for going wrong.

thats the only thing i can think of they've seen, otherwise its a nothing tackle.

Not surprised at all to see Powell doing his bit post match as judge jury and executioner again like he did against warrington last year.

Re: Opponents injuries now affect disciplinary outcomes : Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:39 pm  

Injury was taken into account when Chase was banned for his cannonball on Ferres last season.

Boudebza uses his thigh to apply pressure to the side of Shenton's Knee. According to Rod Studd this is what the RFL were looking at. Some players & coaches around the league also spotted this straight away.

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

Not surprised at all to see Powell doing his bit post match as judge jury and executioner again like he did against warrington last year.

Because hospitalising a player due to hitting them in the head over a second after they've passed the ball is perfectly ok, right? Or is it only fine if it's Ben Westwood that does it?

I see he tried doing it against Leeds last week too...when is Tony Smith going to get banned for one of his players doing the same thing on a weekly basis?

Re: Opponents injuries now affect disciplinary outcomes : Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:44 pm  

i think it is harsh - not one Castleford player reacts to the tackle in a way that something "illegal" had taken place

Re: Opponents injuries now affect disciplinary outcomes : Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:02 pm  

The proof will be in the pudding regarding the consistency of their rulings. HKR lose a player for virtually the full match, and probably next week, due to a Cas player having his forehead pressed against the HKR players forehead as they hit the ground, concussing the HKR player. Not even cited. How is that showing a duty of care to the opposing player? Surely that action is reckless in that there is a good chance it could cause injury and it is not within the laws, never mind the spirit, of the game. But hey-ho.

What about Albert Kelly missing a third of the season last year because an opposition player ran at him when he kicked the ball, making contact with his outstretched leg and causing an ACL strain. How is running at a player in the midst of kicking a ball, in no way able to defend himself, unable to manouvre out of the way, and at full pelt NOT reckless and liable to cause injury? A lot of what goes on in rugby is aimed at inflictiing pain on the opposition player. How can they cite 'duty of care' to the opposing player when they also admit it was unintentional??

Re: Opponents injuries now affect disciplinary outcomes : Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:17 pm  

Interesting thoughts, consistency, it's all we ask for. http://www.totalrl.com/opinion-have-rfl ... debza-ban/

Interesting thoughts, consistency, it's all we ask for. http://www.totalrl.com/opinion-have-rfl ... debza-ban/

Re: Opponents injuries now affect disciplinary outcomes : Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:11 pm  

Was a penalty given? If it was that was harsh. A four game ban is plain ridiculous!

HKR should take legal advice. They could get about 5,000 clips of similar tackles being made over the last 50+ years in a few mins online, all of which didn't result in a penalty or a ban. They can't ban a player based on the fact that somebody has unluckily suffered an injury.

Re: Opponents injuries now affect disciplinary outcomes : Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:14 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Was a penalty given? If it was that was harsh. A four game ban is plain ridiculous!

HKR should take legal advice. They could get about 5,000 clips of similar tackles being made over the last 50+ years in a few mins online, all of which didn't result in a penalty or a ban. They can't ban a player based on the fact that somebody has unluckily suffered an injury.

They banned him for using an illegal and dangerous tackling technique. He put undue pressure on Shenton's knee and snapped his ACL in doing so.

He was charged before they knew how badly he injured a fellow professional so he was always going to get banned. Read the disciplinary report and you'll actually learn something about the technique used, why it's dangerous and why he deservedly got banned.

If anyone should consider legal advice as you suggest it's Shenton himself.

Re: Opponents injuries now affect disciplinary outcomes : Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:26 pm  

Gronk! wrote:

They banned him for using an illegal and dangerous tackling technique. He put undue pressure on Shenton's knee and snapped his ACL in doing so.

He was charged before they knew how badly he injured a fellow professional so he was always going to get banned. Read the disciplinary report and you'll actually learn something about the technique used, why it's dangerous and why he deservedly got banned.

If anyone should consider legal advice as you suggest it's Shenton himself.

No thanks, I'd rather just watch a replay (as I've done).

Nothing wrong with it and I feel for him that he's been banned. I also feel for Shenton who's a top pro and seems a great lad but these things happen in contact sport.