Re: Time to revisit ball grounding? : Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:01 pm  

If this was not Leeds doubt we would be having this thread. There was nothing wrong with the hall try it was a try any day of the week in any era, just sour grapes

Re: Time to revisit ball grounding? : Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:07 pm  

rollin thunder wrote:

If this was not Leeds doubt we would be having this thread. There was nothing wrong with the hall try it was a try any day of the week in any era, just sour grapes

That's not true. It was a crucial call towards the end of a very close semi final. It would be discussed irrespective of the team involved.

Under the current interpretation (and it's the interpretation that is relevant not the wording of the rule in the rule book) it was a try. I've lost count of the number of times in the last 4 or 5 seasons I've watched VR replays and thought that will be given as a try but I don't think he had control of the ball. I would like the interpretation to be changed to the player having full control of the ball, not fingertip control or the ball is touching a wrist and there has been no separation.

Re: Time to revisit ball grounding? : Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:18 pm  

we've had this debate all season no just since last night.

yes my team have benefited from some of those calls but it doesn't mean i agree with it.

Re: Time to revisit ball grounding? : Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:22 pm  

But it was a try any day of the week, in any league!

Re: Time to revisit ball grounding? : Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:24 pm  

it was given as a try, yes but the debate is that losing control of the ball and having half a finger underneath it shouldn't constitute "downward pressure"

Re: Time to revisit ball grounding? : Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:30 pm  

Yes it should if your hand is under the ball as Halls was it will always be 100% a try.

Massive sour grapes from Saints and Hudds shocker.

Re: Time to revisit ball grounding? : Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:03 pm  

sgtwilko wrote:

Yes it should if your hand is under the ball as Halls was it will always be 100% a try.

Massive sour grapes from Saints and Hudds shocker.

sorry but Hall's fingers weren't under the ball, far from it, there might have been some part of halls hand(certainly not his fingers) touching the ball but that was contentious in itself, even under the current rules if a no try had being ruled nobody would have being surprised because we all know it was a no try.
The rules certainly do need changing, not to say in 'full control' because that in itself is difficult to determine but as shown by Hall's try and plenty of others merely being in 'contact' to the side of the ball should never be suffice to award a try, a fingertip on the upper part of the ball would IMO be suffice to give a try.
Removing the referees on field try or no try would be a start to making the rules more sensible/logical

Re: Time to revisit ball grounding? : Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:13 pm  

The downward pressure in this instance can only come from his forearm as hand is under the ball ,with the body lurching forward.His bloody forearm is vertical so is the VR saying his belly supplies sufficient downward pressure I agree saddened along with what constitutes a forward pass 'downward pressure' has become a joke.I think control of ball should mean control,hand on top not friction from wrist hairs.

Re: Time to revisit ball grounding? : Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:19 pm  

Hmmm, it seems many on here have changed their tune since the England game in Melbourne

Re: Time to revisit ball grounding? : Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:25 pm  

sgtwilko wrote:

Yes it should if your hand is under the ball as Halls was it will always be 100% a try.

Massive sour grapes from Saints and Hudds shocker.

no sour grapes from me i'm just offering my opinion