Re: Rugby League World Cup every two years : Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:55 am  

With the ltd number of competitive countries it should be pretty simple to put together a rolling calendar!

2018 RLWC (Aus&NZ)
2019 NZ and Aus tour Europe, Europe cup and PI cup to qualify for 6 nations places
2020 6 nations
2021 England and France tour southern Hemi, Europe cup and PI cup for RLWC places
2022 RLWC (UK & France)

repeat ad nausea!

Re: Rugby League World Cup every two years : Mon Aug 17, 2015 7:04 am  

2018 RLWC
2019 Eng v NZ Test series...Aus v two of Samoa / PNG / Fiji / Tonga?
2020 Four Nations
2011 Aus v Eng Test series...NZ v two of Samoa / PNG / Fiji / Tonga?
2022 RLWC
2023 NZ v ENG Test series...Aus v two of Samoa / PNG / Fiji / Tonga?
2024 Four Nations
2025 Eng v Aus Test series NZ v two of Samoa / PNG / Fiji / Tonga?

Wouldn't that be nice? Throw in some France v England games and keep the Euro nations playing each other too. Would love to see an "emerging four nations" simultaneous to the 4n - Wales, France, PNG, Tonga maybe.

Re: Rugby League World Cup every two years : Mon Aug 17, 2015 8:19 am  

JB Down Under wrote:

With the ltd number of competitive countries it should be pretty simple to put together a rolling calendar!

2018 RLWC (Aus&NZ)
2019 NZ and Aus tour Europe, Europe cup and PI cup to qualify for 6 nations places
2020 6 nations
2021 England and France tour southern Hemi, Europe cup and PI cup for RLWC places
2022 RLWC (UK & France)

repeat ad nausea!

richardviking wrote:

2018 RLWC
2019 Eng v NZ Test series...Aus v two of Samoa / PNG / Fiji / Tonga?
2020 Four Nations
2011 Aus v Eng Test series...NZ v two of Samoa / PNG / Fiji / Tonga?
2022 RLWC
2023 NZ v ENG Test series...Aus v two of Samoa / PNG / Fiji / Tonga?
2024 Four Nations
2025 Eng v Aus Test series NZ v two of Samoa / PNG / Fiji / Tonga?

Wouldn't that be nice? Throw in some France v England games and keep the Euro nations playing each other too. Would love to see an "emerging four nations" simultaneous to the 4n - Wales, France, PNG, Tonga maybe.

Dear me. The Rip Van Winkles have just woken up and don't know what has been going on for the past decade.

The RLWC is not going to be held in years when there is a soccer World Cup (e.g. 2018, 2022) nor in years when there is a rugby union World Cup (e.g. 2019, 2023) nor in years when there is an Olympic games (e.g. 2020, 2024). The RLWC is to be held in the only quadriennial sequence when there is no such competition, namely 2017, 2021, 2025 etc.

Re: Rugby League World Cup every two years : Mon Aug 17, 2015 8:27 am  

Not sure it will happen, but Rugby League needs the certainty of a World Cup happening every two years.

As seen above, there are millions of bright ideas for an international calendar but they certainly aren't going to happen and what's more, just invite more of the make it up as you go along mentality.

The benefit of agreeing biennial World Cups alternating between Northern and Southern hemispheres is that everybody knows it is going to happen. Super League and NRL and everybody else can plan for it.

Compare with what we have and there is no plan in place and nobody really knows what's happening when. Australia were supposed to be touring here this year until they decided they didn't fancy it and NZ stepped in. I honestly can't see Australia doing a prolonged three test tour to Britain again let alone one that includes tests against France.

If you take an elite international potential player. They might expect to be at the top for say 4 or 5 years (not everybody lasts as long as say a Jamie Peacock). That player could (with a set in stone biennial Word Cup) look forward to playing against Australia here and down under in a career. With State of Origin going from strength to strength, what better incentive and challenge for our players to aspire to test themselves on a known calendar against what will more and more come to be seen as the cream of SOO players. Over the years, that would become an attraction of our game and help it grow.

If you are a highly talented young rugby player playing RU in say the south west, a strong international RL game might tempt you to try our game. A slow process. But now, even if such a player doesn't fit the mould of the sort of 'specialists' they need in RU at international level, they will probably stick with that game.

The structure in domestic RL, now with a (not easy) pathway to Super League, might just tempt a wealthy RU club owner to put some serious money into establishing an RL side to play in the summer (Bath?). But the second element of a strong RL international calendar is also needed so there is seen to be the attraction of another possible code for the 1,000s of youngsters brought up away from the RL heartlands in RU and who will have little chance of being in the 15 who get in the international RU team (just based on numbers/probabilities) but who could be good RL players (too many to mention from the past, but including Boston, Lewis Jones, Keith Fielding, Jiffy, Mike Coulman, Offiah etc).

A world cup here every four years is not "too much".

Look how RU built up its game to where it is today. Through internationals. Their 6 nations happens every year. Same time. Every body knows. Clubs, players, potential players, spectators. People plan a year in advance to attend matches (which are events) in that competition. And RU has its annual 'autumn internationals' as well. But its been there long term. Don't forget, in club RU they never had any leagues or tables until the 1970s; every RU club game was a friendly until then! But their international game still pulled capacity crowds and TV money then as it still does every year.

Biennial World Cups is a win-win idea that also boosts whatever qualifying competitions take place in the intervening years such as Pacific Cup, European Cup etc for developing nations. Put this structure in place and countries like Serbia will be challenging every other nation in Europe to be second only to England within ten years. And our professional players have the additional incentive of the challenge, recognition and overseas travel that a structured and regular international game gives.

Re: Rugby League World Cup every two years : Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:49 pm  

Tim W wrote:

Not sure it will happen, but Rugby League needs the certainty of a World Cup happening every two years.

As seen above, there are millions of bright ideas for an international calendar but they certainly aren't going to happen and what's more, just invite more of the make it up as you go along mentality.

The benefit of agreeing biennial World Cups alternating between Northern and Southern hemispheres is that everybody knows it is going to happen. Super League and NRL and everybody else can plan for it.

Compare with what we have and there is no plan in place and nobody really knows what's happening when. Australia were supposed to be touring here this year until they decided they didn't fancy it and NZ stepped in. I honestly can't see Australia doing a prolonged three test tour to Britain again let alone one that includes tests against France.

If you take an elite international potential player. They might expect to be at the top for say 4 or 5 years (not everybody lasts as long as say a Jamie Peacock). That player could (with a set in stone biennial Word Cup) look forward to playing against Australia here and down under in a career. With State of Origin going from strength to strength, what better incentive and challenge for our players to aspire to test themselves on a known calendar against what will more and more come to be seen as the cream of SOO players. Over the years, that would become an attraction of our game and help it grow.

If you are a highly talented young rugby player playing RU in say the south west, a strong international RL game might tempt you to try our game. A slow process. But now, even if such a player doesn't fit the mould of the sort of 'specialists' they need in RU at international level, they will probably stick with that game.

The structure in domestic RL, now with a (not easy) pathway to Super League, might just tempt a wealthy RU club owner to put some serious money into establishing an RL side to play in the summer (Bath?). But the second element of a strong RL international calendar is also needed so there is seen to be the attraction of another possible code for the 1,000s of youngsters brought up away from the RL heartlands in RU and who will have little chance of being in the 15 who get in the international RU team (just based on numbers/probabilities) but who could be good RL players (too many to mention from the past, but including Boston, Lewis Jones, Keith Fielding, Jiffy, Mike Coulman, Offiah etc).

A world cup here every four years is not "too much".

Look how RU built up its game to where it is today. Through internationals. Their 6 nations happens every year. Same time. Every body knows. Clubs, players, potential players, spectators. People plan a year in advance to attend matches (which are events) in that competition. And RU has its annual 'autumn internationals' as well. But its been there long term. Don't forget, in club RU they never had any leagues or tables until the 1970s; every RU club game was a friendly until then! But their international game still pulled capacity crowds and TV money then as it still does every year.

Biennial World Cups is a win-win idea that also boosts whatever qualifying competitions take place in the intervening years such as Pacific Cup, European Cup etc for developing nations. Put this structure in place and countries like Serbia will be challenging every other nation in Europe to be second only to England within ten years. And our professional players have the additional incentive of the challenge, recognition and overseas travel that a structured and regular international game gives.

Once again, there is going to be a biennial international tournament larger than the Four Nations but it will not be a World Cup, and to suggest that it should be is stupidity. Also the international structure is quite clearly defined if you actually bother to look for it. Not sure why you felt the need to write out a second essay here.

Also SMH at the people who don't realize that the next RLWC is in 2017 and not 2018. Even Jean Capdouze knew this.

Re: Rugby League World Cup every two years : Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:06 pm  

Him wrote:

You will see a reduction in crowds at the World Cups if they're played every 2 years.

World Cup should be 4 years. With tours and other competitions filling in the other 3.

As we only have 2 places that can stage a World Cup, England & Australia, we can't have a World Cup every 2 years.

It would still be every 4 years in each hemisphere.

Personally I was hugely against this when I first heard it. But the more I think about it the more I think it would work for RL.

The years is a long time between meals for anyone but the big 3. We lose all momentum gained in them during the gap between them.

If you look at things the like world cup, there is still the European championships, cops America, etc in between. The Olympics have the world championships. So many sports have more than one big international comp in that 4 year cycle.

I think a WC every two years would give us the same. There isn't enough for a European championships, some big nations would be left out of a Pacific comp.

If necessary we can call it something else and run it in a different way but I'd need to be sold on the benefits of giving up that prestige and recognition.

Re: Rugby League World Cup every two years : Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:10 pm  

headhunter wrote:

Once again, there is going to be a biennial international tournament larger than the Four Nations but it will not be a World Cup, and to suggest that it should be is stupidity. Also the international structure is quite clearly defined if you actually bother to look for it. Not sure why you felt the need to write out a second essay here.

Also SMH at the people who don't realize that the next RLWC is in 2017 and not 2018. Even Jean Capdouze knew this.

Whatever this federation cup or whatever is, I'm not sure what we are gaining by having it instead of the already prestigious and recognised brand of the world cup.

Re: Rugby League World Cup every two years : Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:24 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Whatever this federation cup or whatever is, I'm not sure what we are gaining by having it instead of the already prestigious and recognised brand of the world cup.

Because the World Cup isn't a prestigious or special brand if you have it every two years. Same reason Christmas is only once a year and not once a month. And the Federation Cup would not be a World Cup, it would probably have 8 teams, providing a major tournament in between the World Cup cycle similar to the continental championships/Confederations Cup in football. I have no idea why anyone would be against that or favor needlessly blowing a load by massively oversaturating the "World Cup" brand.

Re: Rugby League World Cup every two years : Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:53 pm  

headhunter wrote:

Because the World Cup isn't a prestigious or special brand if you have it every two years. Same reason Christmas is only once a year and not once a month. And the Federation Cup would not be a World Cup, it would probably have 8 teams, providing a major tournament in between the World Cup cycle similar to the continental championships/Confederations Cup in football. I have no idea why anyone would be against that or favor needlessly blowing a load by massively oversaturating the "World Cup" brand.

I'm not sure why a biennial comp is less prestigious than a quadrennial one. Or how 2 instead of 4 is over saturation. Especially when their likely to be held in two ends of the earth.

The world cup is a huge boost to developing nations. The casual fan knows and understands what a world cup is. I highly doubt they would be put off by it only being 2 years since the last one and an 8 teams comp would necessarily exclude a lot of them.

Re: Rugby League World Cup every two years : Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:20 pm  

I'm very pleased to see that the concept of biennial Rugby League World Cups, alternating between the hemispheres, has the support of Smokey TA. I hope the idea can really gain some traction. The enormous opportunity that Rugby League, in its own particular circumstances, has is staring us in the face. Just look at what is going on just in Europe below the top level and consider the on-going boost that would be given by guaranteed biennial World Cups http://www.rlef.eu.com/index.php All ideas and arguments attract some antediluvians who do not need to be accorded any weight. All I'll say is that seven series in the last ten years doesn't and hasn't detracted from the prestige and passion of the Ashes in cricket for example.

I'm very pleased to see that the concept of biennial Rugby League World Cups, alternating between the hemispheres, has the support of Smokey TA. I hope the idea can really gain some traction. The enormous opportunity that Rugby League, in its own particular circumstances, has is staring us in the face. Just look at what is going on just in Europe below the top level and consider the on-going boost that would be given by guaranteed biennial World Cups http://www.rlef.eu.com/index.php All ideas and arguments attract some antediluvians who do not need to be accorded any weight. All I'll say is that seven series in the last ten years doesn't and hasn't detracted from the prestige and passion of the Ashes in cricket for example.