Magic weekend 8s/super 8s : Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:34 am  

The new format means magic weekend could potentially make a difference between teams reaching the super8s or not. I think having this in the new format is unfair. (Castleford could well have done that this year but didn't!) it could be argued that hull kr missed out as a result of having the extra derby game.
How about shifting the magic weekend (seeing as they aren't doing it on bank holidays!) and using it to kick off the 8s / super 8s. 16 teams so 8 games over 2 days and really get the competition started. I think it would be great and give everyone a chance to see what the new guys on the block are about!

The only issue is the extra home game that getting into top 4 benefits wouldn't apply

Re: Magic weekend 8s/super 8s : Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:47 am  

We lost to Wakey in game one. In reality. Magic Weekend has made no difference to our season or given us an edge, mainly because we didn't take that edge.

There will always be someone that has an 'advantage'. If it was 11th v 12th, team in 8th could have an argument that teams below them have an easier chance of making playoffs as playing weaker teams.

I like Magic Weekend, it is a great concept. But I think it should be moved to Round 1 of Super 8s. Make all things equal then.

Re: Magic weekend 8s/super 8s : Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:38 am  

As a opening super/middle 8's weekend, or in alternate seasons teams give up a home fixture to play at magic.

Re: Magic weekend 8s/super 8s : Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:17 pm  

All's fair in love and war.

At the end of the day, it's not a FPTP system, so we need fixture unbalancing to justify a play-off system. Whether this unbalancing should be done before the split or after is moot, considering the MM wouldn't be the same with just the Super 8 teams, or too overloaded with Super 8s and Middle 8s combined. It is worth abandoning what is an "event" that grants the game more exposure?

Yes, maybe it is unfair financially for a team to finish 9th, having a harder fixture at MM, than a team who finishes 8th who had an easier fixture .

But realistically, who's in 8th place is hardly going to make the Top 4 or be crowned champions. And finishing 9th is never going to find you in the bottom 4 of the middle 8s.

At the end of the day, if you're a team languishing in these positions. Try harder next season!

Re: Magic weekend 8s/super 8s : Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:34 pm  

The new format isn't any different to the old one in terms of the Magic Weekend and it's unfairness. You could miss out on the 8s by losing, you could have missed out on the play offs by losing last year. What's the difference?

IMO Magic Weekend should be a 9s tournament with a big prize pool to make it worth it.

Re: Magic weekend 8s/super 8s : Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:02 pm  

You couldn't play the Magic Weekend as a super8's opener as not knowing what fixtures would take place until last minute would hit the gate, for example HullFC took the most fans again this year (6k+) but our top8 status has been on a knife edge, and a tie with say Catalan isn't as attractive as a derby, so a good few thousand wouldent bother with it. Also football clubs wouldent be happy to host in July/August and it wrecking their pitch.

It's a growing event why mess with it?

Re: Magic weekend 8s/super 8s : Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:32 pm  

My only suggestion to change would be to have a random draw rather than leaving the inept RFL to pick the fixtures

Re: Magic weekend 8s/super 8s : Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:41 pm  

UllFC wrote:

You couldn't play the Magic Weekend as a super8's opener as not knowing what fixtures would take place until last minute would hit the gate, for example HullFC took the most fans again this year (6k+) but our top8 status has been on a knife edge, and a tie with say Catalan isn't as attractive as a derby, so a good few thousand wouldent bother with it. Also football clubs wouldent be happy to host in July/August and it wrecking their pitch.

It's a growing event why mess with it?

Would people really not attend based on who they may be playing?
If so then why bother having the event anyway?

Re: Magic weekend 8s/super 8s : Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:22 pm  

jools wrote:

Would people really not attend based on who they may be playing?
If so then why bother having the event anyway?

I think it's a definite that more Hull fans would go if they are playing Hull KR compared to almost any other team, and vice-versa. Same applies for all clubs - the local derby/decent rivalry has served Magic well and I can't see it being changed. The one year when it was an open draw was something of a let down in retrospect.

Re: Magic weekend 8s/super 8s : Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:08 pm  

UllFC wrote:

Also football clubs wouldent be happy to host in July/August and it wrecking their pitch.

This would be a crucial thing. Premiership kicks off the same weekend the Top 8's start. Even us moving forward a week would be too close to the start of the football season for the likes of Newcastle and Man City to agree to having a weekend full of RL matches played on their pitches. The current time of Magic Weekend (just after the football season ends) is the only realistic time to host it.