Re: FC and Rovers academies to merge : Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:03 am  

Should be done all over. No need for clubs to be running the academies (other the RFL being demonstrably terrible at it) run them all independently with more funding funnel them through the lower leagues and draft them to SL

Re: FC and Rovers academies to merge : Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:15 am  

Him wrote:

Spot on.

What Hull FC and Hull KR should've done is announce the building of a joint academy complex that could share facilities, staff and costs but keep the 2 academy teams seperate.

When i first read the headline this is exactly what I thought was going to happen, share facilities and certain backroom staff, when I delved further I couldn't beleive what the proposal was.
It's a disgusting poke in the eye to both sets of fans, especially Hull FC after Pearson's much vaunted decrees of leaving no stone unturned, top 4 and trophies yadda yadda.
I've being lambasted on our forum in the very recent past for saying I wanted Pearson to leave & sell up as he hasn't got a clue how to run a business IMO, certainly not a rugby league one and I think the guy is bi-polar, his decision making is awful, as well as being full of excrement he fails to acknowledge his own mistakes, this action just seems to justify my stance.

Re: FC and Rovers academies to merge : Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:32 am  

Interesting comment from Pearson at the start of that interview:

"The RFL are looking for the development of a number of super-academies."

Are they really, or is he throwing that in to justify what he knows is a very unpopular plan?

Re: FC and Rovers academies to merge : Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:12 am  

EHW wrote:

How will the salary cap work?

if a player gets called up to the FC first team for a few games mid-season will He still be eligible to play for the academy and/or be eligible to get called up for KR should they need cover later in the year?

Can't remember the last time Rovers drafted a player into the 1st team that wasn't an academy player who was already part of the 1st team setup. These players I'm guessing would already be associated to a club at the draft level whilst still playing U19's. This means that the Hull development side will potentially have a squad of 26 players. 13 will be on Hull FC's books & 13 would be Hull KR's. They'd then have the pick of those 13 players.

Re: FC and Rovers academies to merge : Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:39 am  

Easty wrote:

Can't remember the last time Rovers drafted a player into the 1st team that wasn't an academy player who was already part of the 1st team setup. These players I'm guessing would already be associated to a club at the draft level whilst still playing U19's. This means that the Hull development side will potentially have a squad of 26 players. 13 will be on Hull FC's books & 13 would be Hull KR's. They'd then have the pick of those 13 players.

No player will be on either teams books until the draft, listen to the interviews from yesterday again.

Re: FC and Rovers academies to merge : Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:02 pm  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

No player will be on either teams books until the draft, listen to the interviews from yesterday again.

So does that mean if a player is ready or good enough to play at 17-18, he won't be able to because he hasn't been drafted? If thats the case then whats to stop him moving away from the academy to get a 1st team opportunity elsewhere?

Re: FC and Rovers academies to merge : Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:18 pm  

LifeLongHKRFan wrote:

So does that mean if a player is ready or good enough to play at 17-18, he won't be able to because he hasn't been drafted? If thats the case then whats to stop him moving away from the academy to get a 1st team opportunity elsewhere?

At the moment we don't know. The details are pretty sketchy.

Re: FC and Rovers academies to merge : Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:11 pm  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

At the moment we don't know. The details are pretty sketchy.

What if and its a big if they get it right and it works just think (the RFL did not come up with it) and all the teams that can do it do it,it might be a step in the right direction

Re: FC and Rovers academies to merge : Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:26 pm  

I think this is the way to go, if there are 25 players in each super league acadmey that is 300 in the under 19's each year 290 of which are probably never going to get a first team game, add to that the 300 or so at under 17,s the loss of that many players to local amature sides is devaststing. Four or five regional accadamies for the best 100/150 youngsters in the country with high quality coaching & support is what the game needs. Hull may be hot bed of the game but the local sides are all struggling for various reasons to field teams, one of which is loosing some of their best lads to the pro clubs just to make up numbers so thier top couple of players have a side to play in. Most of the kids would be better served staying with thier amature club & enjoying the game instead of being missled into thinking they are going to get a pro contract (about 40 kids get that from all 12 clubs each year) I just hope both clubs work hard to make it a sucsess.

Re: FC and Rovers academies to merge : Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:28 pm  

Nope. Not at all. Restricting the amount of young players who get access to higher quality coaching and development isn't the way to produce top quality players. It's putting all your eggs in one basket.

There should be more young players exposed to academies not less.

Leeds themselves have used at least 3 u19's this season (Handley, Golding & Lilley) who aren't in the first team squad and who they weren't expecting to use. So I'm sure the number across SL is in excess of 10.

The amateur sides are utterly irrelevant. They have 2 jobs as amateur clubs:
1. Provide players up the hierarchy
2. Provide a place for people to enjoy playing RL.

The fact that amateur clubs might lose players to academies is not something that should ever be considered in terms of a player development structure as that is 50% of their role.

That many lads are put through academies and then not taken is of course disappointing for that individual. And clubs should do everything to make that process as easy and sympathetic as possible. But that's how the system will always work.
By halving the amount of youngsters taken on by academies in Hull you have halved the amount of youngsters who will get disappointing news. But you've also halved your development opportunities.

It's batshittery of the highest order.