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Re: Quick - Panic buy! : Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:35 am  
And your solution is...?
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Re: Quick - Panic buy! : Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:59 am  
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And your solution is...?

Licencing.......but managed properly. If you go bust you're gone.
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Re: Quick - Panic buy! : Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:04 am  
An alternative to both P + R candy franchising would be expand the competition to 16 teams. Scrap the playoffs, if you finish top you are champions, but introduce a shorter cup competition for the teams than finish in the top 6 for the September/October period.
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Re: Quick - Panic buy! : Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:17 am  
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Licencing.......but managed properly. If you go bust you're gone.


Licencing did so much damage to this sport, why anyone would want it back beggars belief.

Why can't you have P&R, and if you go bust, you're gone as well? I don't buy a season ticket to see who has the best looking spreadsheet. I pay to watch COMPETITIVE sport.
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Re: Quick - Panic buy! : Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:25 am  
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Licencing did so much damage to this sport, why anyone would want it back beggars belief.

Why can't you have P&R, and if you go bust, you're gone as well? I don't buy a season ticket to see who has the best looking spreadsheet. I pay to watch COMPETITIVE sport.


Licencing didn't "damage the sport".

Incompetent club management did much more damage than licencing. Your mob aren't in the shambles they're in because of licencing, they're in it because Caisley, Hood and Khan couldn't run a drinking contest in a brewery.

If P&R is somehow the silver bullet, why haven't attendances at Championship clubs (Leigh apart) gone through the roof now there's suddenly a chance of their club getting back into SL?
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Re: Quick - Panic buy! : Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:50 am  
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Licencing didn't "damage the sport".

Incompetent club management did much more damage than licencing. Your mob aren't in the shambles they're in because of licencing, they're in it because Caisley, Hood and Khan couldn't run a drinking contest in a brewery.

If P&R is somehow the silver bullet, why haven't attendances at Championship clubs (Leigh apart) gone through the roof now there's suddenly a chance of their club getting back into SL?


Correct on Caisley and Co, but I never mentioned licensing was the reason we went under twice. That was our own fault.

But maybe 4 clubs going bust, falling attendances, no title sponsorship for one season, a few painted lorries as title sponsorship for another year and currently a title sponsorship earning less than what we were a decade a go constitutes a successful structure.

My main gripe was I was fed up of hearing "<insert poorly performing club> are preparing for next year" in May. The sport just became boring IMO At least teams are actually playing for something.

The new structure is far from perfect but at least games actually have meaning for both teams involved.
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Re: Quick - Panic buy! : Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:30 am  
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Licencing did so much damage to this sport, why anyone would want it back beggars belief.

Why can't you have P&R, and if you go bust, you're gone as well? I don't buy a season ticket to see who has the best looking spreadsheet. I pay to watch COMPETITIVE sport.
similarly I watch sport to see who wins. I couldn't care less who is the second sh1tiest

Not many people do. That's why attendances are falling after the records set under licensing.
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Re: Quick - Panic buy! : Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:09 am  
No P&R doesn't seem to damage the NRL.

Now personally I'd prefer P&R. I think it's the "natural" position for British sport. But only if the league can support it. P&R causes huge damage to both the club's relegated and those under threat of it.

Only football can currently properly support P&R because they have so many clubs and a strong, robust, fully professional 2nd division.

My view is that I agree with Jim/Gutters in that we should have licensing but a much stronger, more in depth, longer term version that has the teeth and the balls to kick a club out if necessary.
It should be a bare minimum of a 5 year licence but with in-depth targets across the whole range of a club including on-field performance. That should also apply to the Championship clubs as the aim should be to get a stronger Championship so that the gap between the 2 leagues isn't so great.
Then there should be a long term strategic plan to grow the SL to around 16 teams and the Championship to where at least half the league are full time. Then, at that point, P&R might be viable in some form.

Until then I just think it makes the bottom half clubs in SL unstable whilst the top half who don't realistically have to worry about relegation able to plan long term.
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Re: Quick - Panic buy! : Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:41 pm  
I've said before, if P+R is so good and so beneficial to clubs, let them choose to be part of it. Those who don't want it can be franchised clubs with strict criteria and tough expectations, those who do have none, but are subject to P+R. Straight up and down, the lowest placed P+R club are relegated, the highest placed P+R club in the lower league replaces them. Franchised clubs can finish wherever and continue to grow.
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Re: Quick - Panic buy! : Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:19 pm  
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similarly I watch sport to see who wins. I couldn't care less who is the second sh1tiest

Not many people do. That's why attendances are falling after the records set under licensing.


But isn't it more exciting watching a team who is going for the title, play against a lower team who is fighting for their lives, rather than going through the process of a top team, hammering a lower team who has nothing to play for?
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