Re: Cannonball tackles : Sun May 17, 2015 10:50 pm  

I was always told to get good shoulder contact to ribs/kidneys if a man was held up in the tackle. Time to go back to this way of deliberately trying to injure an opponent?

Re: Cannonball tackles : Sun May 17, 2015 11:11 pm  

dr_feelgood wrote:

I was always told to get good shoulder contact to ribs/kidneys if a man was held up in the tackle. Time to go back to this way of deliberately trying to injure an opponent?

What level did you play at?

Re: Cannonball tackles : Sun May 17, 2015 11:33 pm  

Him wrote:

What level did you play at?

He played for Wigan

Re: Cannonball tackles : Mon May 18, 2015 6:23 am  

Sounds a drastic change to the rules of the game. Seems to me just using the current NRL guidelines would do the job.

Re: Cannonball tackles : Mon May 18, 2015 12:51 pm  

As I've said many times before - the ruck is a mess; the lunatics have taken over the asylum and the wardens appear unable, or unwilling, to take back control. As a result, the game has become slow, frustrating and unpleasant to watch. I imagine it's not much fun to play either, when you're the victim of a gang tackle where two blokes hook their arms under yours to hold you up, and one or more come barrelling in to smash your knees and ankles in all sorts of unnatural directions.

This is a simple matter of playing within the spirit, not just the rules, of the game; the former Wigan coach introduced a style of play to SL that was designed to injure opposition players - particularly in the tackle; Shaun Wane has carried on that approach, and it's spread to other clubs because it hasn't been dealt with - it's an unchecked arms race at present and will end in disaster - at least a personal disaster for one or more players.

For my money, the RFL needs to hold an urgent summit and get right across this, so that coaches, players and fans can be made fully aware of what is, and isn't, acceptable in terms of contact; if that means a spate of sin-binnings for a few weeks after they press go - tough - that's the coaches and players fault.

Re: Cannonball tackles : Mon May 18, 2015 3:41 pm  

I think we should ban tackling all together, that's the only way we'll completely eliminate the chance of players getting injured.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Cannonball tackles : Mon May 18, 2015 4:58 pm  

bren2k wrote:

As I've said many times before - the ruck is a mess; the lunatics have taken over the asylum and the wardens appear unable, or unwilling, to take back control. As a result, the game has become slow, frustrating and unpleasant to watch. I imagine it's not much fun to play either, when you're the victim of a gang tackle where two blokes hook their arms under yours to hold you up, and one or more come barrelling in to smash your knees and ankles in all sorts of unnatural directions.

This is a simple matter of playing within the spirit, not just the rules, of the game; the former Wigan coach introduced a style of play to SL that was designed to injure opposition players - particularly in the tackle; Shaun Wane has carried on that approach, and it's spread to other clubs because it hasn't been dealt with - it's an unchecked arms race at present and will end in disaster - at least a personal disaster for one or more players.

For my money, the RFL needs to hold an urgent summit and get right across this, so that coaches, players and fans can be made fully aware of what is, and isn't, acceptable in terms of contact; if that means a spate of sin-binnings for a few weeks after they press go - tough - that's the coaches and players fault.

Well, they changed the rule slightly, after ratchford was took out in the grandfinal '13, but they've never really enforced it unless someone has been ridiculously blatant(like rangi was). It really does seem like they're waiting and leaving it until their hand is forced.

This crap about its ok as long as its from behind because the knees bend that way, its excusing foul play, seeing someone collapse backwards with two or three players on top of them, unable to break their own fall and with someone underneath them is just as unpleasant and painful to watch as someone coming in third man putting the shoulder to the knee join from the side, or snapping the pole as i believe it's known around Orrell way.

It's a naughty person tactic no matter what. And it wants eradicating from the game.

Re: Cannonball tackles : Mon May 18, 2015 8:53 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

Well, they changed the rule slightly, after ratchford was took out in the grandfinal '13, but they've never really enforced it unless someone has been ridiculously blatant(like rangi was). It really does seem like they're waiting and leaving it until their hand is forced.

This crap about its ok as long as its from behind because the knees bend that way, its excusing foul play, seeing someone collapse backwards with two or three players on top of them, unable to break their own fall and with someone underneath them is just as unpleasant and painful to watch as someone coming in third man putting the shoulder to the knee join from the side, or snapping the pole as i believe it's known around Orrell way.

It's a naughty person tactic no matter what. And it wants eradicating from the game.

Spot on

Re: Cannonball tackles : Tue May 19, 2015 9:04 am  

Bluenosewarrior wrote:

I think we should ban tackling all together, that's the only way we'll completely eliminate the chance of players getting injured.

I don't see anyone calling for the complete elimination of any chance of injury; injuries are part and parcel of a fast contact sport and RL players accept and deal with that, as do many other sportsmen and women.

What I'm advocating is that the governing body deal with the grubby, thugby league mentality that has spread outwards from Wigan and been allowed to infect the sport. The ruck is a total free for all and attacking players are not being safeguarded by the officials; it's a matter of time before there's a catastrophic injury as a result of gang-tackling, and that will have been entirely preventable.

If the RFL need a reminder as to why they should deal with it, they need only look at Alex McKinnon. It's clear that so long as they are allowed, certain coaches will continue to instil a naughty person, win at all costs mentality in their players - so stop allowing them, and balls to the ensuing whining and moaning when people are penalised; even Shaun Wane can work out that if those tactics are not creating an advantage, it's time to change them.

Re: Cannonball tackles : Tue May 19, 2015 9:45 am  

bren2k wrote:

What I'm advocating is that the governing body deal with the grubby, thugby league mentality that has spread outwards from Wigan and been allowed to infect the sport. The ruck is a total free for all and attacking players are not being safeguarded by the officials; it's a matter of time before there's a catastrophic injury as a result of gang-tackling, and that will have been entirely preventable.

OTT hysteria for me. The game is infinitley cleaner than it was. I doubt even Wane tells his players to literally 'go out & break his f-cking jaw', which I heard many times as a player. There are occasional bad tackles, as you say spread from Wigan. But these are picked up by the review panel.