Re: McManus savages disciplinary process : Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:33 am  

leeds owl wrote:

Saints have had some scandalous decisions in their favour against Catalans, Wakefield and HKR. Didn't hear a peep out of him then. Needs to wind his neck in.

Funny you mention the Wakey game, as we saw in that game a great example of the inconsistency of the game. Jon Wilkin was rightly penalised for a late challenge on the Wakey player yet 2 minutes later Mark Flanagan gets a shoulder in the face from Lautititi (and a serious facial injury) and nothing was mentioned about it.

Re: McManus savages disciplinary process : Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:10 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

Remind me, which dangerous play / disciplinary decisions in our favour were scandalous in those games?

McManus is spot on. If that statement had been released jointly by all chairman to remove reference to and bias for/against saints, everyone would agree with every word.

You're probably right, and maybe if Mr McManus and a few of the other chairman had backed Neil Hudgell when he spoke out against the disciplinary system not being fit for purpose last year we'd maybe have got somewhere as a united force. But he didn't as saints were obviously getting the rub of the green whereas now this matter affects them. The disciplinary system is a farce, some refereeing performances are ruining the game but its not just started happening!!

On this occasion the ref missed the incident, it was picked up and Green got a two match ban. I don't think Mr McManus would've been shouting so loud had the boot been on the other foot. Think your players truly are going to have to be saints now thanks to his outburst

Re: McManus savages disciplinary process : Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:20 am  

2 years ago saints came to Craven Park in a cup game with the a game plan that was basically a guide to heaqd hunting. Dobson was smashed left right and centre with shoulder charges and head high tackles. This culminated with Meli clothes lining Craig Hall to the extent where it shocked me it didn't break his neck. Ok Meli walked, but we could easily have been playing against 10 men by that point. Never heard a peep from McManus condemning his players or coach. Did he get in a pulpit and apologise to the Rugby world, nope he kept quiet.

McManus is a typical NIMBY, complain when its about his club otherwise he'll stay schtum, The ref / disciplinary debate fired off last year, it was surrounding the Mickey Paea banning for a leg charge which he rightly got banned for yet there were another 3 or 4 instances the same week that went unpunished. If I remember rightly Pearson at Hull kicked off, this was backed by Hudgell and the wakefield coach, McManus kept quiet but as has been said it didn't suit his agenda

Re: McManus savages disciplinary process : Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:25 am  

I trust his players will be whiter than white in the derby, otherwise some egg on face might be the order of the day.

Re: McManus savages disciplinary process : Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:36 am  

Saints were the grubbiest team to have played Wakefield this season.
Wilkin got away with 3 head shots and Wellens also got away with a trip and we wont even get into the wrestling stuff on the ground.
So, in reply to the op, no sympathy from here whatsoever,
If they clean up their general play, there wont be any bans coming.

Saints are the new Wigan, a definite change in playing style which has helped them win games when playing poorly, just as Wigan managed last season.
May be it's a "Lancashire" thing ?

Re: McManus savages disciplinary process : Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:02 am  

I think we ought to forget his obvious Saints bias in his examples, and look at it across the board, the process SHOULD be thorough, and above all consistent.

Refs will make mistakes and sometimes won't see what happened, this can all be corrected by a set of off field procedues, providing they are FAIR, THOROUGH and CONSISTENT.

Re: McManus savages disciplinary process : Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:49 am  

He might have a point. That he chooses only to illustrate it with examples where he feels his team has been badly done to does him no favours though.

Re: McManus savages disciplinary process : Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:05 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Saints were the grubbiest team to have played Wakefield this season.
Wilkin got away with 3 head shots and Wellens also got away with a trip and we wont even get into the wrestling stuff on the ground.
So, in reply to the op, no sympathy from here whatsoever,
If they clean up their general play, there wont be any bans coming.

Saints are the new Wigan, a definite change in playing style which has helped them win games when playing poorly, just as Wigan managed last season.
May be it's a "Lancashire" thing ?

No one is saying Saints are angels, if we're committing serious fouls and not being punished they should be, just further evidence that the system isn't working. What he wants is consistency and a disciplinary system that protects players. There is IMO a clear line between an intended outcome and an accidental one and the RFL don't have any grasp on the severity of incidents IMO. In this instance Green used an outlawed technique to deliberately attack the skull of a player in a vulnerable position, causing a triple fracture of his cheek bone. Do we really have to wait until someone dies or suffers a life changing injury before something is done about it? A 6 game ban in this instance would be a deterrent to players. It's not a normal high shot like you compare it to, those are more often than not accidental or reckless. As for the Wakefield v Saints game, the worst challenge was Lauitiiti's, also a shoulder charge to the face which also caused serious injury. Green is only going to miss 1 game for this, which is a joke. Surely you can see that?

Re: McManus savages disciplinary process : Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:05 am  

EHW wrote:

Funny you mention the Wakey game, as we saw in that game a great example of the inconsistency of the game. Jon Wilkin was rightly penalised for a late challenge on the Wakey player yet 2 minutes later Mark Flanagan gets a shoulder in the face from Lautititi (and a serious facial injury) and nothing was mentioned about it.

Flanagan ran face first into the chest of Lauitiiti, there was no shoulder involved!

Don't fall for Cunninghams "woe with us" press statement, spin and warping of the truth!

Re: McManus savages disciplinary process : Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:23 am  

Andy Gilder wrote:

He might have a point. That he chooses only to illustrate it with examples where he feels his team has been badly done to does him no favours though.

Exactly that; I see this in disciplinary cases in my professional life all the time - someone is before the beak for a misdemeanour and all of a sudden, they want to blow the whistle on years worth of malpractice that has happened before their very eyes, but which they never felt the need to report until their own job is on the line.

For what it's worth, I agree with most of what he's said, but it's meaningless for each individual coach or chairman to bleat about these things when their own club appears badly done to - surely they have some forum in which to collectively let the RFL know that they're unhappy with the inconsistent application of the rules, without club bias or risking a large fine and the wrath of the officials for the coming few weeks?