Re: 2017 World Cup England: where are the gaps? : Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:27 pm  

Miricles happen, though I wouldn't know one if I witnessed it.

Re: 2017 World Cup England: where are the gaps? : Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:49 pm  

If o loughlin is our best back rower in 2 years time that would be embarassing. As for every other player you mentioned they would struggle to get in the top 10 players of that position in the NRL with the exception of george burgess

Regards

King James

Re: 2017 World Cup England: where are the gaps? : Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:20 pm  

Makes you wonder how - given they are so hopelessly outmatched in every position - England got within a hair's breadth of beating both Australia and New Zealand away from home last year.

Re: 2017 World Cup England: where are the gaps? : Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:12 am  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Makes you wonder how - given they are so hopelessly outmatched in every position - England got within a hair's breadth of beating both Australia and New Zealand away from home last year.

Quite simply they haven't got the skill and ability when it matters to win, it's that obvious and has been for years.

Another overseas crock please at the expense of development will do nicely and so it will continue.

You can't win by losing, being 2nd in a 2 man race is last!

There are many reasons why England cannot compete but very few why they can and that is the situation that needs to be addressed and should be. It hasn't , and because of that even sports funding has been reduced/withdrawn from the game.

Anyone really wonder why and the long term consequences? No it's short termism, simple easy solutions and the my club, my club, mentality that is/has killed the game in certain areas.

Re: 2017 World Cup England: where are the gaps? : Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:41 am  

Leaguefan wrote:

Quite simply they haven't got the skill and ability when it matters to win, it's that obvious and has been for years.

Another overseas crock please at the expense of development will do nicely and so it will continue.

You can't win by losing, being 2nd in a 2 man race is last!

There are many reasons why England cannot compete but very few why they can and that is the situation that needs to be addressed and should be. It hasn't , and because of that even sports funding has been reduced/withdrawn from the game.

Anyone really wonder why and the long term consequences? No it's short termism, simple easy solutions and the my club, my club, mentality that is/has killed the game in certain areas.

Ok let's say I accept your premise. But rather than just spouting the same guff over and over again, why don't you tell us about this development and what we should do differently?

If, let's say, Warrington signed Steve Matai tomorrow (seems to fit the bill of an overseas crock as well as anyone I can think of), why would that harm the national team and the game in this country?

Re: 2017 World Cup England: where are the gaps? : Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:12 am  

Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:

If, let's say, Warrington signed Steve Matai tomorrow (seems to fit the bill of an overseas crock as well as anyone I can think of), why would that harm the national team and the game in this country?

Really, you cannot see the problem with that?

I wont go into the reasoning behind the problem, I don't have the space or time, but your response is a symptom of the problem IMO. It's not a personal attack it's how I see it and you are not alone with your question.

Re: 2017 World Cup England: where are the gaps? : Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:24 am  

England do not have top shelf Halves or on field leaders that can steer a team around and change outcomes.

Re: 2017 World Cup England: where are the gaps? : Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:12 am  

Leaguefan wrote:

Really, you cannot see the problem with that?

I wont go into the reasoning behind the problem, I don't have the space or time, but your response is a symptom of the problem IMO. It's not a personal attack it's how I see it and you are not alone with your question.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. My issue is you come on here thread after thread spouting the same buzzwords like you have all the answers. Yet time and time again you prove you don't really have a clue, and you've done it again here.

You can invest in youth development and grass roots rugby AND sign overseas players. It doesn't have to be one or the other. A good young player will get his chance regardless. There are much bigger fish to fry than simply cutting the number of imports.

Re: 2017 World Cup England: where are the gaps? : Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:34 pm  

I have two daughters who have from time to time come with me to watch Hull KR. My eldest (18) was watching the game on Friday on tv when she announced how cruddy the commentators were. She then said I'd have a go at them but they are probably too old for Twitter!
That got me thinking. We should have young and vibrant commentators who not only make a bad game seem good but talk about it, argue about it and advertise it on social media. That's the platform to attack.

Re: 2017 World Cup England: where are the gaps? : Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:01 pm  

blakeysrobin wrote:

I have two daughters who have from time to time come with me to watch Hull KR. My eldest (18) was watching the game on Friday on tv when she announced how cruddy the commentators were. She then said I'd have a go at them but they are probably too old for Twitter!
That got me thinking. We should have young and vibrant commentators who not only make a bad game seem good but talk about it, argue about it and advertise it on social media. That's the platform to attack.

I agree, but did you mean to post it on this thread? A little OT isn't it?