Re: Gateshead/Newcastle Thunder for Super League? : Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:55 pm  

Trolling much?

Re: Gateshead/Newcastle Thunder for Super League? : Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:28 am  

Old Rocker wrote:

Anyone else get sick of the M62 references. The clubs were there long before the M 62 was thought of. And for a hundred years or so Widnes were the southern most club, the original "expansionists" !

Widnes is 7 miles away, St Helens 4.5 miles away, Warrington 2.5 miles away, Wigan 11 miles away, Salford half a mile, Huddersfield 4 miles, Leeds 6 miles, Wakey 4 miles, Castleford 2 miles, The Hulls about 18 miles.......so how better to describe a "national" sport that has it's top 11 sides all situated either on or a short distance from a single motorway?

I've heard Union referred to as an M4 corridor game, even though Newcastle, Leicester, Northampton, Sale, Exeter and now Wasps aren't anywhere near the M4, but with League, it's pretty accurate.

Re: Gateshead/Newcastle Thunder for Super League? : Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:25 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Widnes is 7 miles away, St Helens 4.5 miles away, Warrington 2.5 miles away, Wigan 11 miles away, Salford half a mile, Huddersfield 4 miles, Leeds 6 miles, Wakey 4 miles, Castleford 2 miles, The Hulls about 18 miles.......so how better to describe a "national" sport that has it's top 11 sides all situated either on or a short distance from a single motorway?

I've heard Union referred to as an M4 corridor game, even though Newcastle, Leicester, Northampton, Sale, Exeter and now Wasps aren't anywhere near the M4, but with League, it's pretty accurate.

I know where it is I was born within your geographical description. What should they do,draw lots and fold half of them?

Re: Gateshead/Newcastle Thunder for Super League? : Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:55 am  

gutterfax wrote:

Widnes is 7 miles away, St Helens 4.5 miles away, Warrington 2.5 miles away, Wigan 11 miles away, Salford half a mile, Huddersfield 4 miles, Leeds 6 miles, Wakey 4 miles, Castleford 2 miles, The Hulls about 18 miles.......so how better to describe a "national" sport that has it's top 11 sides all situated either on or a short distance from a single motorway?

I blame the ministry of transport. Really, I do.

Since these clubs predate the M62 by 80 or so years - how on earth did they know there was going to be this major road typecasting the sport forever negatively?

If the motorway went a bit more diagonal or vertical, we could class ourselves as a broadly spaced out sport. But alas.

Re: Gateshead/Newcastle Thunder for Super League? : Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:09 pm  

You can always find issues with a geographical spread. I cannot follow the argument RL needs to be in where most people are. Take football.
Like it or not, the most successful football teams tend to be in three areas: the London conurbation, Greater Manchester, and Liverpool. In other words: no. 1, 3, and 7 the ONS list as the most populous urban areas in the UK.
No 2 is the West Midlands area. No 4 is West Yorkshire.
So let's expel Liverpool and Manchester United to input Leeds and Aston Villa as priorities: silly.

RL clubs are organic. JC risk game strategy ignores this.

From the same doc.: "Greater London Urban Area dwarfs the others. It has the highest population, greatest area and highest population density of all urban areas in the United Kingdom. Its population is over 3.6 times and its area over 2.7 times that of West Midlands Urban Area – the second most populous and largest."
London RL? Birmingham RL?

P.S. Coventry is not in the West Midlands Urban area and nor is Gloucester.
Oh, and the population of the West Yorkshire urban area was the fourth in growth: these "pit villages" must be doing something.

Re: Gateshead/Newcastle Thunder for Super League? : Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:26 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Widnes is 7 miles away, St Helens 4.5 miles away, Warrington 2.5 miles away, Wigan 11 miles away, Salford half a mile, Huddersfield 4 miles, Leeds 6 miles, Wakey 4 miles, Castleford 2 miles, The Hulls about 18 miles.......so how better to describe a "national" sport that has it's top 11 sides all situated either on or a short distance from a single motorway?

I've heard Union referred to as an M4 corridor game, even though Newcastle, Leicester, Northampton, Sale, Exeter and now Wasps aren't anywhere near the M4, but with League, it's pretty accurate.

Have a read of your history book Gutters and you will then know why RL is mainly northern based.
Strangely, if the RFU had dealt with the Welsh and some of the clubs in the Midlands, in the same way as they dealt with Yorkshire, Lancashire and Cumbria the geographical picture would look significantly different.
It would either be ALL rugby union or a north south divide but, along the M42.

Remember, everyone walked to watch the games in clogs and flat caps, whilst walking their whippets, so it's a good thing that most games weren't too far away

On a more serious note, had the RFU dealt properly with the issue of broken time payments there wouldn't be any RL played in the UK and for this we are eternally grateful.