Re: Wellington Orcas for NRL 2018? : Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:46 am  

gutterfax wrote: 1. Western Australia delivers pitiful viewing figures for Rugby League. Couple that with the time difference and the logistical costs and the numbers don't stack up......... NRL isnt rating highly at moment but mainly due to being buried on a digital channel with no promotion. When it is promoted RL rates pretty well. The real $ value though is in the 2 hour time difference giving a whole host of live game options for FTA and PTV on the East coast. I am sure the NRL wouldnt mind the extra 2-3million viewing figures over the course of a season when the game finally gets back here and gets some profile. This is all about growth in the key metro ratings target group and clearly there is growth happening that will only occur quicker with our own NRL team here to raise the profile of the game. And in Perth, average audience was159,000with a peak of 232,000 viewers. It was the highest ever rating NRL Grand Final in Perth https://tv.nineaccess.com.au/press-rele ... r-drought/ . gutterfax wrote: 2. 1.7 million people call Perth home......20k for 1 game but normally between 12 and 16k.....That's poor compared to Wellingtons 200k population and 25k and 30k for the last 2 years. ........ Hmmm best not to just make sht up if your going to try and put a credible argument together. Perth crowds last 3 years 2012 15,600 (was a pre game sell out but massive storm hit on the night) & 20,095 2013 20,221 2014 12,000 (horrible weather) & 20,267 gutterfax wrote: 4. You had 3 years at the top level and failed in pretty much every aspect. Having a wealthy owner isn't enough. Wellingtons bid is based around the club being self sufficient from day 1. ........ As mentioned they were extraordinary times. I am led to believe there is a very sound business plan in place with some significant sponsorships lined up with a target $18million revenue. Perth is a very very different city to 1995-97 and the game is in a very different place than it was back then. Only a fool would try and compare the two gutterfax wrote: I don't see how either Brisbane II or WA Pirates can be see as better placed than NZII........ That's because your a union gonk. If this is the quality of your state of the game analysis I am not surprised the Broncos didnt want anything to do with you! Perth and Brisbane2 are dead certs, Wellington needs to actually put a bid together to be taken seriously. All we've heard so far is a load of ifs, buts and maybes. Having Doyle against it is hardly going to help either.

gutterfax wrote: 1. Western Australia delivers pitiful viewing figures for Rugby League. Couple that with the time difference and the logistical costs and the numbers don't stack up......... NRL isnt rating highly at moment but mainly due to being buried on a digital channel with no promotion. When it is promoted RL rates pretty well. The real $ value though is in the 2 hour time difference giving a whole host of live game options for FTA and PTV on the East coast. I am sure the NRL wouldnt mind the extra 2-3million viewing figures over the course of a season when the game finally gets back here and gets some profile. This is all about growth in the key metro ratings target group and clearly there is growth happening that will only occur quicker with our own NRL team here to raise the profile of the game. And in Perth, average audience was159,000with a peak of 232,000 viewers. It was the highest ever rating NRL Grand Final in Perth https://tv.nineaccess.com.au/press-rele ... r-drought/ . gutterfax wrote: 2. 1.7 million people call Perth home......20k for 1 game but normally between 12 and 16k.....That's poor compared to Wellingtons 200k population and 25k and 30k for the last 2 years. ........ Hmmm best not to just make sht up if your going to try and put a credible argument together. Perth crowds last 3 years 2012 15,600 (was a pre game sell out but massive storm hit on the night) & 20,095 2013 20,221 2014 12,000 (horrible weather) & 20,267 gutterfax wrote: 4. You had 3 years at the top level and failed in pretty much every aspect. Having a wealthy owner isn't enough. Wellingtons bid is based around the club being self sufficient from day 1. ........ As mentioned they were extraordinary times. I am led to believe there is a very sound business plan in place with some significant sponsorships lined up with a target $18million revenue. Perth is a very very different city to 1995-97 and the game is in a very different place than it was back then. Only a fool would try and compare the two gutterfax wrote: I don't see how either Brisbane II or WA Pirates can be see as better placed than NZII........ That's because your a union gonk. If this is the quality of your state of the game analysis I am not surprised the Broncos didnt want anything to do with you! Perth and Brisbane2 are dead certs, Wellington needs to actually put a bid together to be taken seriously. All we've heard so far is a load of ifs, buts and maybes. Having Doyle against it is hardly going to help either.

Re: Wellington Orcas for NRL 2018? : Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:08 am  

5 Reasons Wellington are way behind Perth and Brisbane2 for NRL expansion:

1. Its a pretty small city (400k). Whilst there are million plus cities (Perth 2million, tipped to be over 3million by 2030) and cities the size of Brisbane with one team, a small city like Wellington is always going to play second fiddle
2. No suitable stadium. The main stadium is poor for RL with the stands miles from the action and the likely 12-15k regular crowds rattling around in its 34.5k capacity
3. No value to next TV deal. Whilst Perth and Brisbane add direct $'s to any new TV deal the NZ tv deal is already top end heavy and unlikely to be significantly boosted by the addition of another team. The NZ deal represents less than 10% of the Australian TV value.
4. Sustainability. RU is god in that part of the world yet even the main RU team in Wellington is desperately struggling to attract fans and make ends meet. Their crowd avg hovers around 12k. if the main sport cant draw a crowd what chance the NRL?
5. Bid credentials. Whilst other bids have been working for a number of years in putting the building blocks together this hastily cobbled bid seems to be a quick jerk reaction to the NRL's potential expansion and the cowd at last years game.

I am all for a NZ2 side in the future and Wellington crowds have certainly been great. Maybe the time is right to hammer the Hurricanes by putting an NRL club in but Perth and Brisbane2 due to their TV value and the work been done in those areas are streets ahead imo.

Re: Wellington Orcas for NRL 2018? : Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:27 am  

This is going to be Wellingtons best hope of getting a club in the next 15 years. But based on the comments made by Doyle this week, Hemson said his team was also likely to talk to existing clubs about the possibility of relocation. "The main thing for us is that over the next couple of months we will continue to engage with the the NRL and keep them updated on our sponsorship plans and agreements with various parties around New Zealand regarding stadiums,"Hemson said. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/643 ... consortium

This is going to be Wellingtons best hope of getting a club in the next 15 years. But based on the comments made by Doyle this week, Hemson said his team was also likely to talk to existing clubs about the possibility of relocation. "The main thing for us is that over the next couple of months we will continue to engage with the the NRL and keep them updated on our sponsorship plans and agreements with various parties around New Zealand regarding stadiums,"Hemson said. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/643 ... consortium

Re: Wellington Orcas for NRL 2018? : Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:47 am  

With the success of the Four Nations and the world cup in 2017, a second team being introduced just a year after this would be a great way to encourage more fans into the sport because there is clearly some interest there. If the marketing was done properly, they could play the New Zealand derby at Eden Park and probably fill it, that would be a great spectacle.

Re: Wellington Orcas for NRL 2018? : Wed Dec 31, 2014 5:26 am  

yorksguy1865 wrote:

With the success of the Four Nations and the world cup in 2017, a second team being introduced just a year after this would be a great way to encourage more fans into the sport because there is clearly some interest there. If the marketing was done properly, they could play the New Zealand derby at Eden Park and probably fill it, that would be a great spectacle.

Striking whilst the irons hot isn't a trait associated with league, but you are right. 50,000 at Eden and 35,000 at the cake tin bolted on every year.......

Re: Wellington Orcas for NRL 2018? : Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:23 pm  

More good news regarding NZII. AU $1,000,000 a year for 10 years is a significant wedge....and shows that a 2nd team would be viable, especially if it was based across 2 or even 3 centres. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/65562068/bid-for-second-new-zealand-nrl-team-gets-boost-with-feeder-team-announced Winning the 4 Nations, the season Launch held in Auckland and the 9's assured to be here for at least another 4 years all point to the NRL being unable to ignore the massive potential for the game here.

More good news regarding NZII. AU $1,000,000 a year for 10 years is a significant wedge....and shows that a 2nd team would be viable, especially if it was based across 2 or even 3 centres. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/65562068/bid-for-second-new-zealand-nrl-team-gets-boost-with-feeder-team-announced Winning the 4 Nations, the season Launch held in Auckland and the 9's assured to be here for at least another 4 years all point to the NRL being unable to ignore the massive potential for the game here.

Re: Wellington Orcas for NRL 2018? : Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:00 am  

gutterfax wrote: More good news regarding NZII. AU $1,000,000 a year for 10 years is a significant wedge....and shows that a 2nd team would be viable, especially if it was based across 2 or even 3 centres. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/65562068/bid-for-second-new-zealand-nrl-team-gets-boost-with-feeder-team-announced Winning the 4 Nations, the season Launch held in Auckland and the 9's assured to be here for at least another 4 years all point to the NRL being unable to ignore the massive potential for the game here. Well said. Would you look to be involved with a new NRL club in Wellington in some capacity if it was to happen?

gutterfax wrote: More good news regarding NZII. AU $1,000,000 a year for 10 years is a significant wedge....and shows that a 2nd team would be viable, especially if it was based across 2 or even 3 centres. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/65562068/bid-for-second-new-zealand-nrl-team-gets-boost-with-feeder-team-announced Winning the 4 Nations, the season Launch held in Auckland and the 9's assured to be here for at least another 4 years all point to the NRL being unable to ignore the massive potential for the game here. Well said. Would you look to be involved with a new NRL club in Wellington in some capacity if it was to happen?

Re: Wellington Orcas for NRL 2018? : Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:50 am  

Huddersfield1895 wrote:

Well said.
Would you look to be involved with a new NRL club in Wellington in some capacity if it was to happen?

Professionally, personally and potential divore-E-cally yep!!!!
Box, Season ticket and potentially "no box" with more money to spend (after alimony) ....but these are the years I get to do poop that I WANT!!!!