Re: Sean O loughlin football tackles chase : Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:34 am  

Him wrote:

Yep.

1 - I haven't seen it again but I thought he grubbered it too, but then that happens in plenty of "low" drop outs, not to mention kicking it from in front of the try line.

2 - It was the strangest attempt at kicking the ball back to a team mate I've seen if that's the case, he didn't make contact with the ball either. Should've been a penalty at least.

3 - No it wasn't. Because it wasn't a run around. It was a pass, followed by an inside return pass, followed by the ball carrier running behind his own player. That's not a run around. For it to be a run around the player "running around" (was it Smith?) needs to be much further "around" the man before he gets the return pass.

Correct, it was an attempt at a run around but it wasn't executed properly, when Smith receives the pass he is still a couple of yards to the left of the Wigan player that passed it to him, he then ran, with the ball, around the back of that player. That by the laws of the game is crossing, whether it actually caused an obstruction or not is a different matter. Anyone who thought that was a genuine run around doesn't know what they are talking about.

Re: Sean O loughlin football tackles chase : Fri Aug 01, 2014 1:46 pm  

Hauruki almost crushes another mans skull with his knees ~8 page thread in 6 days.

O'Loughlin makes legitimate challenge for the ball and accidentally takes out a Salford player; 5 page thread within 18 hours.

And they say the VT aren't obsessed with Wigan

Re: Sean O loughlin football tackles chase : Fri Aug 01, 2014 1:59 pm  

Jeff the God of Biscuits wrote:

Hauruki almost crushes another mans skull with his knees ~8 page thread in 6 days.

O'Loughlin makes legitimate challenge for the ball and accidentally takes out a Salford player; 5 page thread within 18 hours.

And they say the VT aren't obsessed with Wigan

To be fair the Hauraki one reached 4 pages in under 24 hours. Also this one would still be 4 pages if not for several messages from different Wigan fans solely posting "VT obsessed with Wigan again" bumping up the number.....much like you just did.

Re: Sean O loughlin football tackles chase : Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:46 pm  

Jeff the God of Biscuits wrote:

Hauruki almost crushes another mans skull with his knees ~8 page thread in 6 days.

O'Loughlin makes legitimate challenge for the ball and accidentally takes out a Salford player; 5 page thread within 18 hours.

And they say the VT aren't obsessed with Wigan

To be fair it's not just Wigan. Leeds attract a similar amount of attention on here.

Re: Sean O loughlin football tackles chase : Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:47 pm  

Jeff the God of Biscuits wrote:

Hauruki almost crushes another mans skull with his knees ~8 page thread in 6 days.

O'Loughlin makes legitimate challenge for the ball and accidentally takes out a Salford player; 5 page thread within 18 hours.

And they say the VT aren't obsessed with Wigan

Yup, I started both threads, illustrating the point in my first thread. This thread was motoring along within hours.

Though it's not suprising, this wiggin team is obviously putting the frightners up a few folk as we head into their territory - trophy time of the season.

Re: Sean O loughlin football tackles chase : Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:08 pm  

Taverner wrote:

Correct, it was an attempt at a run around but it wasn't executed properly, when Smith receives the pass he is still a couple of yards to the left of the Wigan player that passed it to him, he then ran, with the ball, around the back of that player. That by the laws of the game is crossing, whether it actually caused an obstruction or not is a different matter. Anyone who thought that was a genuine run around doesn't know what they are talking about.

Yet Stuart Cummings and the video ref (after several reviews) deemed it legal, and while the on-field ref correctly referred it to be checked, he didn't see anything worth penalising.

I wonder, on balance, who might know the laws better.

Re: Sean O loughlin football tackles chase : Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:38 pm  

Jeff the God of Biscuits wrote:

Hauruki almost crushes another mans skull with his knees ~8 page thread in 6 days.

O'Loughlin makes legitimate challenge for the ball and accidentally takes out a Salford player; 5 page thread within 18 hours.

And they say the VT aren't obsessed with Wigan

Think the Sinfield and Hock incidents actually received more and to be fair, a lot on this thread has actually diversed to discussing crossing/obstruction so its really only 3 and bit pages to be fair...
For the record, I wouldn't put out "obsessed" claims, no team is worth obsessing over, no matter how successful they have been or how annoying their support is - and before anyone thinks I'm having a go at Wigan, I'm not, just talking in general

Re: Sean O loughlin football tackles chase : Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:11 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Yet Stuart Cummings and the video ref (after several reviews) deemed it legal, and while the on-field ref correctly referred it to be checked, he didn't see anything worth penalising.

I wonder, on balance, who might know the laws better.

And yet both Stuart Cummings and the Video Ref have got things wrong in the past.

I think Cummings and the VR both jumped to the conclusion it was a run around without looking at that aspect of it enough.
The run around wasn't executed properly and so resulted in obstruction, in my opinion.

In the same way as many pass out the back plays haven't been executed properly this season and led to obstruction too.

If the players get their plays right they generally won't obstruct. But it's a risk you take when you have players without the ball in front of the ball carrier and in the defensive line.

Re: Sean O loughlin football tackles chase : Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:31 pm  

It's almost unimportant as to whether it was legal or not...it's done.

What is important though is the change in interpretation all of a sudden. That move would have been penalised in every previous TV game this season.

Re: Sean O loughlin football tackles chase : Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:09 pm  

Him wrote:

And yet both Stuart Cummings and the Video Ref have got things wrong in the past.

I think Cummings and the VR both jumped to the conclusion it was a run around without looking at that aspect of it enough.
The run around wasn't executed properly and so resulted in obstruction, in my opinion.

In the same way as many pass out the back plays haven't been executed properly this season and led to obstruction too.

If the players get their plays right they generally won't obstruct. But it's a risk you take when you have players without the ball in front of the ball carrier and in the defensive line.

When 3 referees see nothing wrong with it, and 2 of those have had chance to review it several times from several angles, I'm happy to accept they are, on balance, most likely correct.

There have been several occasions where Cummings has disagreed with the game officials. On this they all agreed.

I'll take that over untrained rl fans.