Re: "Refs not protecting Sam" - Wane : Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:36 pm  

As far as I understand its Wane who's asking for the protection for Tomkins. I don't see any request from Sam to be treated differently. I'm quite sure he's capable of looking after himself. If not we could see the following scenario: Visitors dressing room - referee enters and instructs said visitors to "lay off Sam, but you can knock sh*t out of the others".

You couldn't make it up (unless your name's Wane).

Re: "Refs not protecting Sam" - Wane : Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:44 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Ref's have been embarrassing in their refereeing of high shots on burrow, I have seen Burrow take two or three head shots in a game which had it been on any other player on the field would have seen a red, Burrow's skills aren't any excuse for head high shots. He has suffered numerous concussions but Burrow picks himself up dusts himself off and carries on with not a word.

If Tomkins can learn a lesson from nim in that respect he will be better for it, if he starts looking for excuses he is gone away.

I'f someone told Burrow he needed special protection it would likely be them looking for the ref to help them out, ask Lauaki and Thackray, Burrow takes responsibility for himself, he doesn't take a backward step and doesn't look for protection from anyone

Maybe he is just braver than Tomkins, it would be a sad day if that quality was removed from the game.


I'd also think Wigan are on pretty dodgy ground complaining at people wanting to see Tomkins

I don't see Sam making any complaint. He has no need to learn lessons from anyone and anyone questioning his bravery is a fool.

Almost every single player who gets hold of Sam tries to smash/hurt him. He's THE danger player and probably an annoying sod to face and if you can quieten him you're doing your team a favour. He takes probably more hits and niggle because of this. I've seen him take shot after shot and lots of extra 'treatment' and I've yet to see him complain or take a backward step.

ps. Burrow's height is the reason for so many high shots, not his skill.

Re: "Refs not protecting Sam" - Wane : Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:46 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Ref's have been embarrassing in their refereeing of high shots on burrow, I have seen Burrow take two or three head shots in a game which had it been on any other player on the field would have seen a red, Burrow's skills aren't any excuse for head high shots. He has suffered numerous concussions but Burrow picks himself up dusts himself off and carries on with not a word.

If Tomkins can learn a lesson from nim in that respect he will be better for it, if he starts looking for excuses he is gone away.

I'f someone told Burrow he needed special protection it would likely be them looking for the ref to help them out, ask Lauaki and Thackray, Burrow takes responsibility for himself, he doesn't take a backward step and doesn't look for protection from anyone

Maybe he is just braver than Tomkins, it would be a sad day if that quality was removed from the game.


I'd also think Wigan are on pretty dodgy ground complaining at people wanting to see Tomkins hurt

Tomkins hasn't said anything so what are you going on about? It's Shaun Wane who made the comments, not Tomkins.

And as for your suggestion as to what Tomkins should do after receiving a high shot, he already does. Like after the one from Ablett.

Re: "Refs not protecting Sam" - Wane : Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:49 pm  

Coventry Warrior! wrote:

:lol:

This topic is about referees doing more to protect Sam. Not quite sure how referees are to protect Sam in games he isn't playing in?

Indeed.
But the question is have you and Wade seen every other SL game this season whilst actually at the games?
If the answer is no how can you/he decide that little Sam needs special help from the refs over everyone else?
Which brings us back too.

Anakin Skywalker wrote:

Have you seen every other SL game this season?
If not then you aren't really in a position to comment either.

Re: "Refs not protecting Sam" - Wane : Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:51 pm  

Cronus wrote:

I don't see Sam making any complaint. He has no need to learn lessons from anyone and anyone questioning his bravery is a fool.

Almost every single player who gets hold of Sam tries to smash/hurt him. He's THE danger player and probably an annoying sod to face and if you can quieten him you're doing your team a favour. He takes probably more hits and niggle because of this. I've seen him take shot after shot and lots of extra 'treatment' and I've yet to see him complain or take a backward step.

ps. Burrow's height is the reason for so many high shots, not his skill.

That post is quite representative of the fairly hilarious hyperbole surrounding Tomkins.

P.s poor tackle technique, fatigue and laziness are why Burrow takes so many headshots.

Re: "Refs not protecting Sam" - Wane : Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:53 pm  

I think Tomkins should be protected more by refs if obvious intent and attempts to injure him are made, I haven't seen this maliciousness yet and don't believe many players intentionally try to 'hurt' a player just rough him up abit

Re: "Refs not protecting Sam" - Wane : Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:56 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Ref's have been embarrassing in their refereeing of high shots on burrow, I have seen Burrow take two or three head shots in a game which had it been on any other player on the field would have seen a red, Burrow's skills aren't any excuse for head high shots. He has suffered numerous concussions but Burrow picks himself up dusts himself off and carries on with not a word.

If Tomkins can learn a lesson from nim in that respect he will be better for it, if he starts looking for excuses he is gone away.

I'f someone told Burrow he needed special protection it would likely be them looking for the ref to help them out, ask Lauaki and Thackray, Burrow takes responsibility for himself, he doesn't take a backward step and doesn't look for protection from anyone

Maybe he is just braver than Tomkins, it would be a sad day if that quality was removed from the game.


I'd also think Wigan are on pretty dodgy ground complaining at people wanting to see Tomkins hurt

I agree that Burrow takes too many head high shots, but players like Crabtree are going to find it hard to get down to a safe hight, the same excuse doesn't exist for Tomkins. Indeed his hight should mean he gets less high tackles (as would Crabtree's hight).

I don't know of any occasion where Tomkins has been looking for any excuses. Indeed, I don't see Tomkins taking a backward step. JJB hit him in the Leeds game and Tomkins was there, in his face. I can't think of a time that Tomkins hasn't got up and got on with it this year.

I'm not sure what you are alluding to about Wigan fans being on dodgy ground. I hardly think that any comments about a certain Leeds player injuring himself whilst coming foul play as vaguely the same thing, nobody wished that on McGuire. There is a view that Karma is a bitch about the subject, but if anything my experience of the Wigan fans and forum is that there are very very few people whom would wish an injury on any player.

Re: "Refs not protecting Sam" - Wane : Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:57 pm  

Cherry.Pie wrote:

Tomkins hasn't said anything so what are you going on about? It's Shaun Wane who made the comments, not Tomkins.

And as for your suggestion as to what Tomkins should do after receiving a high shot, he already does. Like after the one from Ablett.

Do you need my to explain what if means to you?

Ablett caught Tomkins with a high shot two years ago, get over it, it was hardly a Mick Cassidy or Terry Newton level of Shithouseness

Re: "Refs not protecting Sam" - Wane : Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:01 pm  

Anakin Skywalker wrote:

Indeed.
But the question is have you and Wade seen every other SL game this season whilst actually at the games?
If the answer is no how can you/he decide that little Sam needs special help from the refs over everyone else?
Which brings us back too.

Don't be silly. Have you seen every minute of every SL game this year and in person? If not then it's best that you don't make any comments about any game or player this year based on your point.

BTW - also, don't comment on any comment or topic on the board unless you have read every single piece of text....

Re: "Refs not protecting Sam" - Wane : Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:04 pm  

goobervision wrote:

I agree that Burrow takes too many head high shots, but players like Crabtree are going to find it hard to get down to a safe hight, the same excuse doesn't exist for Tomkins. Indeed his hight should mean he gets less high tackles (as would Crabtree's hight).

I don't know of any occasion where Tomkins has been looking for any excuses. Indeed, I don't see Tomkins taking a backward step. JJB hit him in the Leeds game and Tomkins was there, in his face. I can't think of a time that Tomkins hasn't got up and got on with it this year.

I'm not sure what you are alluding to about Wigan fans being on dodgy ground. I hardly think that any comments about a certain Leeds player injuring himself whilst coming foul play as vaguely the same thing, nobody wished that on McGuire. There is a view that Karma is a bitch about the subject, but if anything my experience of the Wigan fans and forum is that there are very very few people whom would wish an injury on any player.

Burrows height isn't an excuse, a foul is a foul.

And I was posing a hypothetical question I was posing about Tomkins moaning, I have seen plenty of players look to the ref, rather than just knuckling down. In fact being able to dust yourself is, always has been, and hopefully always will be part of our game. RL pretty much personifies the old creed 'it's not how hard you get hit, it's how many times you can get back up'

And sadly a depressingly high number of Wigan fans who did wish injury on Mcguire, and there are sadly, people who would argue Tomkins getting injured would be 'karma being a bitch'