Re: England squad named : Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:11 pm  

dubairl wrote:

last year sinfield wasn't even close to being the best player against new zealand.

Well if i remember correctly i think it should of been James Graham but Sinfield got it so he must of played well, and he did.

I'm not even saying Sinfield should of got the nod for this game but these claims that he's been really poor at International level when their has MANY worst for GB/England in the SL era is OTT. You just have to look in the direction of the guy who'll be wearing the number 7 shirt.

Did the likes of Long, McGuire, Pryce, Brown, Horne, Deacon, Orr, Burrow, Robinson or Myler perform any better at International level in the halves? And even some of are very best players of the last 20 years Farrell, Sculthorpe and Harris may of played a bit better but certainly didn't rip it up at International level like they did at club level.

Re: England squad named : Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:32 pm  

If we'd have had a decent half back pairing against NZ in last years 4N we'd have put a score on them. They were there for the taking and we actually made it more difficult for ourselves by not being clinical in attack and converting possession in to points. Sinfield is not an international 6.

Re: England squad named : Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:00 pm  

Yes but we had Sam Tomkins and James Roby, the best 2 talents in English RL atm, the guy who won Man of Steel in Rangi Chase, as well as 2 of the best wingers this country has had since the days of Offiah and Robinson. Are you trying to suggest the difference between scoring a bucket load more of points against NZ simply rests on perhaps playing a Brough or Lomax instead of Sinfield?

Re: England squad named : Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:32 pm  

I'm a fan of Danny Brough, but I think Huddersfield fans will agree he loses form dramatically at times.

I just think it's time for us to play attacking half backs instead of going for a safe option.

Re: England squad named : Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:56 pm  

jonny the leyther wrote:

I'm a fan of Danny Brough, but I think Huddersfield fans will agree he loses form dramatically at times.

I just think it's time for us to play attacking half backs instead of going for a safe option.

Apart from players like Hanley, there are very few players who stand out in every game (except Goulding & McIlorum obviously). Brough is light years ahead of any other British scrum half IMO.

Re: England squad named : Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:29 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Yes but we had Sam Tomkins and James Roby, the best 2 talents in English RL atm, the guy who won Man of Steel in Rangi Chase, as well as 2 of the best wingers this country has had since the days of Offiah and Robinson. Are you trying to suggest the difference between scoring a bucket load more of points against NZ simply rests on perhaps playing a Brough or Lomax instead of Sinfield?

Do I think we'd score more tries with a quicker and more creative stand-off than Kevin Sinfield? Yes I do. It should be chase and brough when the nrl players arent available and widdop and chase/brough when they are.

Re: England squad named : Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:09 pm  

WARRIORCRAIG wrote:

Do I think we'd score more tries with a quicker and more creative stand-off than Kevin Sinfield? Yes I do. It should be chase and brough when the nrl players arent available and widdop and chase/brough when they are.

Yeah great idea playing two stand-offs together. We'll definately have the structure, organisation and tactical kicking game that fans are wanting then.

Re: England squad named : Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:15 pm  

Loyal Leeds Fan wrote:

Yeah great idea playing two stand-offs together. We'll definately have the structure, organisation and tactical kicking game that fans are wanting then.

Well hes using chase as a 7 alongside sinfield so why not with widdop? I did say widdop with chase OR Brough. There's also lomax but I don't think he's developing in to the scrum half people hoped he would. IMO any combination of Brough/chase/widdop/lomax is better than having sinfield in there. He shouldn't be near the squad and definitely not as a 6

Re: England squad named : Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:32 pm  

Personally, I'd go with Brough + Widdop. For the exiles games, I'd have gone Brough + Chase.

I do think that Brough is a class above other British halfbacks at the moment (aside from Briers) , he's one of the few that has a kicking game, can totally control the tempo of a game and has a great turn of pace to go with it. All the others are in a very similar mould, great with the ball in hand running at defenders and in the open field (Tomkins (when he was a 6), Chase, Myler, McGuire, Lomax).

As for Sinfield, as I've said many times before, works for Leeds, but if we want to actually progress England as a side he can't be in it (unless he's a hooker, but there's actually decent alternatives now).

Re: England squad named : Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:33 pm  

Loyal Leeds Fan wrote:

Yeah great idea playing two stand-offs together. We'll definately have the structure, organisation and tactical kicking game that fans are wanting then.

Surely that makes more sense than a Stand Off and a jack of all trades master of none in Sinfield. Sinfield is barely a credible Super League Stand Off never mind international one.