Re: The RFL up to their old tricks.. : Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:09 pm  

tb wrote:

You have far greater faith in journalists than I do … and I are one


Far greater faith in club officials who have a record of not knowing the first thing about the competition they want to join, as well …

i have faith in the lord that is enough for me (i think)

Re: The RFL up to their old tricks.. : Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:10 pm  

tb wrote:

Except some people didn't raise their voices about something which directly affects them, they went over the top on the back of an unfounded rumour which turned out to be untrue.


Monday's report was clearly the result of some sort of conversation between Mark Rylance and David Howes. Only two people know what was actually said in that conversation, but on the back of it the journalist involved felt able to go off and write a story saying "Toulouse will not have to meet qualification criteria."

On the face of it, he appears to have done this without double checking what he thought Howes said – even though it contravened explicitly stated previous policy – with the RFL media dept: however he may have been under deadline pressure, or it may be difficult to contact RFL media officers at the weekend (when games are being payed)?.

Now, I, no more than the rest of you, don't know whether Howes simply had a brain fart and said something in a conversation I don't know the circumstances of which was simply untrue or whether Rylance got the wrong end of the stick and simply misunderstood what was being said.

Two things I would say though:

the statement from the Toulouse officials carries no weight with me at all – these are the people who said a few years ago that they expected to be playing in the 2007-8 Super League season;

similarly, I don't attach a lot of weight to Rylance's editor saying "the RFL have apologised for misleading my reporter" for two reasons: it's still only one side of the story, from a source which has already admitted that reporting what the RFL said is not its strong point ; and in the famous words of Mandy Rice Davis "he would say that, wouldn't he?" – I've never yet known any media organisation, including the ones I've worked for, admit that "we or our reporter got it wrong", it's always "the people we (mis?) quoted got it wrong or misled us".

ATEOTD, like I say, only two people know what was said, and in what circumstances between Rylance and Howes – but the 'special treatment for Toulouse' story which resulted from it turns out to be untrue.

I'm not sure where David Howes comes into this, or "Mark" Rylance, but below I have set out the correct version of the events that led to this story being published.

Mike Rylance, who specialises in French Rugby League for League Express, read an online report in the Midi-Olympique newspaper that had quotes from Gilles Dumas, the Toulouse coach, that appeared to suggest that his club didn't have to reach the Grand Final to qualify to make an application to Super League.
He telephoned the Toulouse Chairman, Carlos Zalduendo, who confirmed that he understood that Toulouse didn't have to reach the Grand Final to qualify to make an application for Super League.
Mike then telephoned the RFL Media Manager John Ledger, who promised to get back to him to confirm or otherwise the veracity of this particular interpretation.
John then got back in touch with Mike, and confirmed that Carlos' view was the correct interpretation. That was after John spoke to a senior official at the RFL who confirmed that version of the truth.
John and Mike have both confirmed this version of events with me, but John is not prepared to name the RFL official who confirmed that Toulouse would not have to reach the Grand Final.
Subsequently, on Monday, John issued a press release on behalf of the RFL saying quite bluntly that Toulouse do have to reach the Grand Final "contrary to some reports".
The press release did not make it clear that those "reports" had actually originated from the RFL itself, and it made it look as though League Express had simply printed a story that wasn't true.
Clearly I was less than happy with the RFL not acknowledging that it had given our reporter the wrong information, although John subsequently apologised to me, as I said earlier in this thread.

Re: The RFL up to their old tricks.. : Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:13 pm  

Martyn Sadler wrote:

I'm not sure where David Howes comes into this, or "Mark" Rylance, but below I have set out the correct version of the events that led to this story being published.

Mike Rylance, who specialises in French Rugby League for League Express, read an online report in the Midi-Olympique newspaper that had quotes from Gilles Dumas, the Toulouse coach, that appeared to suggest that his club didn't have to reach the Grand Final to qualify to make an application to Super League.
He telephoned the Toulouse Chairman, Carlos Zalduendo, who confirmed that he understood that Toulouse didn't have to reach the Grand Final to qualify to make an application for Super League.
Mike then telephoned the RFL Media Manager John Ledger, who promised to get back to him to confirm or otherwise the veracity of this particular interpretation.
John then got back in touch with Mike, and confirmed that Carlos' view was the correct interpretation. That was after John spoke to a senior official at the RFL who confirmed that version of the truth.
John and Mike have both confirmed this version of events with me, but John is not prepared to name the RFL official who confirmed that Toulouse would not have to reach the Grand Final.
Subsequently, on Monday, John issued a press release on behalf of the RFL saying quite bluntly that Toulouse do have to reach the Grand Final "contrary to some reports".
The press release did not make it clear that those "reports" had actually originated from the RFL itself, and it made it look as though League Express had simply printed a story that wasn't true.
Clearly I was less than happy with the RFL not acknowledging that it had given our reporter the wrong information, although John subsequently apologised to me, as I said earlier in this thread.

well said martyn, straight from the horses mouth.

Re: The RFL up to their old tricks.. : Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:17 pm  

In view of Martyn's reply:

dally messenger wrote:

hey the same people saying the RFL are clueless now and making the game a laughing stock are the same people who said wrexham wouldnt work out either

..............or they are just ordinary people who happen to have first hand experience of their incompetence.

Re: The RFL up to their old tricks.. : Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:20 pm  

jeez, with John Ledger and Craig Spence in charge of media and communications - its no surprise that the RFL is being run the way it is.

my favourite John Ledger moment was on the Super League show a few years when he said "it wasnt fair" that one team had scored too many tries against Wakefield.

Re: The RFL up to their old tricks.. : Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:22 pm  

saints35 bulls0 wrote:

jeez, with John Ledger and Craig Spence in charge of media and communications - its no surprise that the RFL is being run the way it is.

I hear they're lining up Liam Gallagher to replace the pair of them.

Worra kn*bhead

Re: The RFL up to their old tricks.. : Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:24 pm  

I can see the scene now... John Ledger putting the phone down and asking Richard Lewis if Toulouse need to reach a GF to apply for a licence..
Lewis puts his arm around John and says 'you and I both know that isn't the case.. hush hush'..
Off John pops misunderstanding the situation and makes the phone call to the League Express..
Later on Richard remembers the conversation and asks why John wanted to know about Toulouse and John tells him...
Richard breaks into a cold sweat... rings Nigel who tells him.. 'just ring back and tell them we've made a mistake... they expect it of us now and it's not like we need to explain how the mistake was made or be in any way culpable for it..'

[scene ends]

Re: The RFL up to their old tricks.. : Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:27 pm  

It's like an episode of Yes Minister, although i'm unsure as to who could match Sir Humphrey's guile.

Re: The RFL up to their old tricks.. : Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:38 pm  

In EnemyTerritory wrote:

I can see the scene now... John Ledger putting the phone down and asking Richard Lewis if Toulouse need to reach a GF to apply for a licence..
Lewis puts his arm around John and says 'you and I both know that isn't the case.. hush hush'..
Off John pops misunderstanding the situation and makes the phone call to the League Express..
Later on Richard remembers the conversation and asks why John wanted to know about Toulouse and John tells him...
Richard breaks into a cold sweat... rings Nigel who tells him.. 'just ring back and tell them we've made a mistake... they expect it of us now and it's not like we need to explain how the mistake was made or be in any way culpable for it..'

[scene ends]

all thats missing is alan b'stard and piers fletcher-dervish.

[tb]

Re: The RFL up to their old tricks.. : Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:40 pm  

Martyn Sadler wrote:

I'm not sure where David Howes comes into this, or "Mark" Rylance, but below I have set out the correct version of the events that led to this story being published.

Mike Rylance, who specialises in French Rugby League for League Express, read an online report in the Midi-Olympique newspaper that had quotes from Gilles Dumas, the Toulouse coach, that appeared to suggest that his club didn't have to reach the Grand Final to qualify to make an application to Super League.
He telephoned the Toulouse Chairman, Carlos Zalduendo, who confirmed that he understood that Toulouse didn't have to reach the Grand Final to qualify to make an application for Super League.
Mike then telephoned the RFL Media Manager John Ledger, who promised to get back to him to confirm or otherwise the veracity of this particular interpretation.
John then got back in touch with Mike, and confirmed that Carlos' view was the correct interpretation. That was after John spoke to a senior official at the RFL who confirmed that version of the truth.
John and Mike have both confirmed this version of events with me, but John is not prepared to name the RFL official who confirmed that Toulouse would not have to reach the Grand Final.
Subsequently, on Monday, John issued a press release on behalf of the RFL saying quite bluntly that Toulouse do have to reach the Grand Final "contrary to some reports".
The press release did not make it clear that those "reports" had actually originated from the RFL itself, and it made it look as though League Express had simply printed a story that wasn't true.
Clearly I was less than happy with the RFL not acknowledging that it had given our reporter the wrong information, although John subsequently apologised to me, as I said earlier in this thread.

merci – and apologies to Mike for getting getting his name wrong (in true journalistic fashion, I was writing from memory [not having seen the LE report] and was under the impression Howes [who I think I was confusing with Wood ] was quoted)

Thanks for spelling out the actual history